Kee Klamp 500

[citychap26]

Hi,

Does anyone have experience of this ?

Please do not move this thread!

Cheers

Sunil

[motco]

If it's what I know as Gascoigne's Kee Klamp then yes. It is, if it's what I remember, a tubular frame system with cast 'knuckles' with Allen screws and fittings to make handrails, support frames, etc. Quite strong and rigid and with the relevant parts, versatile too.

Google shows that Kee Klamp 500 is a newer system from that which I have used, but if the original is anything to go by then it'll be good stuff.

[EINSIGN]

Remember Kee Klamp is simply a brand name. We use similar when making sign and banner frames, and products like this:

[citychap26]

Hi,

Thanks for getting back to me. I ask because I have recently become a trustee of a private estate where I live. A contract for the replacement of handrails was taken out prior to my involvement.

I have been told that the cost is in the region of £10,000 for about 10 handrails. I think that this is somewhat extracting the urine.

I was told by the chairman of the commitee that they were quoted for some 156 meters of linear meters of galvanised stell pipe and obviously fittings.

Does this sound extreme ? I belive so as the quality of workmanship was bloody terrible. They have in some places simply attached the new handrails to the existing ones.

I also do not believe that 156 meters was needed.

Anyone got experience in these matters ? I do not believe that we should pay the contractor the full amount.

Cheers

Sunil

[svm]

Is it free standing or fixed?

If fixed, did repairs to roof finishes have to be carried out, or was it attached to say a wall?

[citychap26]

Hi,

They where actually used as handrails throughout the estate. I believe that there are about 10 handrails of about 10 meters each.

I can post pictures of the shoddy workmanship.

Cheers

Sunil

[xllifts]

You have been done good and proper by the sounds of it.
Depends what labour charges they made but if the prior person had agreed the contract the only hope you have is to claim against poor workmanship and withold final payment.

[svm]

Yeah, post up some pics.

TBH the price doesn't sound astronomical, but if its been slapped together, then they should be asked to put it right.

[Big Al.]

citychap26 said:

Hi,

I can post pictures of the shoddy workmanship.

Please be aware of the sites NO NAMING AND SHAMING policy.

[citychap26]

Might have some pics sent to my work address, so can't post until Monday.

I think that either the chairman has been very naive or need I say...

We have also been quoted 56k to resurface a road of about 100 meters and conduct some repairs of pavement slabs. I really think that they have well and truely taken the p*ss.

The chairman is due to step down in 3 months and I might actaully be stepping up to the role. I will no way let building contractors take the p*ss going forward.

[Mattt]

What basis was the order let on? Have they completed the works?

The best place I found for this was a company called Alloy Fabweld in Essex - used them many times and blew others out the water on price and service. Give them a ring, speak to Mel or Shaun, explain the situation and I'm sure they'll give you a check price to compare.

[a boardman]

if the ballustrades (uprights) to the handrail where installed at every 2m, and where approx 1.1m high along with 10m single handrail. that would be a total of 16.6m of pipe.
with 10 handrails giving a total of 166m.

[citychap26]

Hi Chaps,

Thanks for the great replies... I have been told that they did indeed quote for 165 meters of steel tubing. However I still find it extremely hard that the cost would be in the region of 10k to install (and for materials)

Fellow trustees have agreed that the quality of workmanship was poor.

I'll ring the guys in Essex and see what they say.

Again thanks for getting back to me.

Cheers

Sunil

[EINSIGN]

Clearly the price is over the top, but it had been quoted and you or whoever accepted, what do you now hope to achieve, other than asking them to repair any shoddy work?

[svm]

Is it over the top though? Without seeing the installation and what parts have been used/the location of the fitments/and what plant was needed for works (ie, a crane to lift to location, vehicles required to move materials across a show piece lawn etc).

Then there's that VAT thing, paying wages and that weird thing company's are set up to do... Make a profit.

OP, its easy to look on ebay for a 12 week solution for buying parts. Equally, there's a cost increase for getting the genuine parts from the manufacturer.

The company probably spent in excess of £6700.00 at list prices. Then once they invoiced you, they had to pay the VAT. On top of what are normal overheads - Company insurance, van, insuring the van etc..

The VAT is about ~£1500 in the bill you was quoted. It all adds up.

Post up the pics on Monday and I'll have a look.

(Oh, and when dealing with Alloy Fabweld, speak to Dave )

Edited by svm on Saturday 11th July 23:52

[Tony427]

Keyclamp is the brand or generic name for tube clamping system, of which I used to use a shed load every year, ( like over £200k's worth.)

From what you have described it seems like you have been right royally bent over a barrel.

Why not do a quick search on the internet on keyclamp and have a look just how inexpensive it is, then have a look at local plumbing merchants who can supply exactly the same thing at 20% of the cost.

Someone, somewhere is taking a back hander.

Cheers,


Tony

[sherman]

Is key klamp not just fancy scaffolding?

If it is could you not just get a quote from a company that uses a good old tube and fitting scaffolding system?