Intercooler and Oil Cooling mods - 3R

[Air Support]

I’m interested in improving engine cooling and maintaining performance on track days, so was after info on the Pro Alloy intercooler and what solutions (and the ancillaries required) the Nobility have come up with for oil cooling on a 3R.

I know this has been covered before, but the search option – even with 8 years selected - doesn’t show threads before December 2008 and if I’m right this was covered over 3 years ago. If anyone that started a thread off would be kind enough to post a link or even a rough date it would be appreciated.

Also with regard to the Pro Alloy intercooler – is this just a straight swap or does it need a lot of alterations to metalwork and pipework?

Many thanks

Andrew

[daddysumo]

It seems the Pro alloy intercooler is the best option at the mo, and I'm purchasing one in the very near future.
As for oil cooling im going to use a large laminova type water to oil cooler which also helps heat the oil from cold as well as cool it,
Positioning of it is still undecided, but as my engine and gearbox are coming out tomorrow I will have easy access to find a convienient position, it will probably be in a side pod or the center tunnel though.

Steve

[Gadgeroonie]

Engine and box out !

crikey, time for a new box, or is it for engine mods

[daddysumo]

Gadgeroonie said:

Engine and box out !

crikey, time for a new box, or is it for engine mods

A bit of both Mike.... gearbox was new 5k miles ago but is going to 'gearbox man' for the strengthening mods etc, engine is being refreshed a bit as it seems the valve train is a bit tired (has been running 1 bar for ages)so some new springs etc seem in order !

[Gadgeroonie]

are the cams worn ? are the valves leaking ?

can we see some pics of any damage

[daddysumo]

Gadgeroonie said:

are the cams worn ? are the valves leaking ?

can we see some pics of any damage

Dont know till it comes apart... will let u know

[peterguk M500]

My new intercooler from Hoover @ TurboHoses in the USA:

Shown next to a Pace uprated intercooler





Will be fitting front mounted engine and gearbox oil coolers.

Edited by peterguk M500 on Wednesday 15th July 11:15

[Air Support]

Possible oil cooler soultion?

The guys at what was Noble London have suggested fitting the M400 oil cooler up front in my 3R.

Anyone got any experience of doing this or a view as to how this might compare to any aftermarket oil coolers?

Thanks

[JLSELAN]

If anything, it is more than you need for a front mount cooler, so it should work fine.
BTW, the M400 uses a stock aftermarket MOCAL oil cooler--not special for Noble.

[Air Support]

Thanks for this - I assume there is a thermostat of some sort fitted too?

[JLSELAN]

I'm not sure what the M400 uses, but I use a MOCAL sandwich plate thermostat for my front-mounted oil cooler. Simple and effective.
See model SP1 here:
http://64.202.180.37/files/thermos$.pdf?Submit1=Ge...

Edited by JLSELAN on Tuesday 21st July 01:46

[TuxMan]

Hi JLSELAN , thats a nice piece of kit !! i take it theres room to run oil cooler pipes down the tunnel ?? to the front .

[GTO400]

It's tight but you can get the pipes through the tunnel, use 5/8 lines to reduce the pressure drop .

[TuxMan]

sounds good , any idea what sort of size the cooler needs to be for the engine , and for the gearbox .

[NobleGuy]

Air Support said:

I know this has been covered before, but the search option – even with 8 years selected - doesn’t show threads before December 2008 and if I’m right this was covered over 3 years ago.

Yes, I get that but others seem to be able to find the older topics. Weird...

[JLSELAN]

TuxMan said:

sounds good , any idea what sort of size the cooler needs to be for the engine , and for the gearbox .

Here is some discussion on the topic from the U.S. forum:
http://www.nobleforums.com/showthread.php?t=2532&a...

I used the MOCAL 235 matrix/13-row model, but you should be able to fit up to a 19-row cooler in the same space.
http://www.batinc.net/coolers.htm
It will depend on how much BHP your motor develops.

I don't know what size you would need for a gearbox cooling system, but it will be smaller and I doubt that it would have to be front mounted--a sidepod location should be adequate for it since the cooling demand is not as severe as for engine oil.

[TuxMan]

thanks very much , good info have printed it all off ready for the winter !!! list of jobs gets longer !!!

[Air Support]

JLSELAN said:

I'm not sure what the M400 uses, but I use a MOCAL sandwich plate thermostat for my front-mounted oil cooler. Simple and effective.
See model SP1 here:
http://64.202.180.37/files/thermos$.pdf?Submit1=Ge...

Joel

Many thanks for posting all this info - I'll definitely be following it up.

Andrew

[Air Support]

Thought I'd give a quick up date to this one and to thank Joel for the info.

Have had a Mocal Oil cooler fitted up front and repeated the Silverstone GP evening last week, in similar warm conditions to the evening 6 weeks ago. Much improved performance. No overheating issues and the car was wonderfully responsive for the whole of the session.

Thanks again Joel

Andrew

[TuxMan]

sounds good , have you got any pictures of installation ? also where did you get all your bits from ? thanks for any help job i'm going to do over the winter . simon