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I've recently viewed a F355 Berlinetta with 12k on the clock, the car looks in ok condition, but I'm just a bit wary about it being clocked (I know many of them have been) I'm going to get an inspection done, but how exactly do they find out if it's been clocked? I know that Gallardos fro example record the mileage in the gearbox as well, does the F355 do that?
Old MOT's, Service history, overall condition of all the bits and peices that arent easy to replace (the paint on the brake calipers being a good one) and variances from delivered spec. At 12k it's unlikely to have had dozens of owners 
A car thats only done 12,000 miles is most likely to have been kept standard (yes I know a sweeping generalisation) so an abundance of carbon / shiny bits glued to the interior would also raise quesions.
If the cars been serviced at a Ferrari dealers give them a call and ask what they know about the car
A car thats only done 12,000 miles is most likely to have been kept standard (yes I know a sweeping generalisation) so an abundance of carbon / shiny bits glued to the interior would also raise quesions.
If the cars been serviced at a Ferrari dealers give them a call and ask what they know about the car
F355gtb2009 said:
so what makes u think most alot of 355's are clocked? care to divulge all the cars that u think are clocked? because imo thats a very precise comment which needs backing up ,especially when people on here are selling there cars.
It's not just 355's, it's been an issue talked about across discussion boards for many years, here, Clubscuderia, etc, etc. Given the number of Ferraris on the road, the number of owners and the lack of real higher mileage cars for sale, something just doesn't quite add up. Or else they're all Sunday-driven 'garage queens' and no-one actually uses them!There's a huge financial advantage in clocking high-value exotica like these.
That's why much of the accepted advice is always to buy on condition rather than mileage - it's a better indication of actual use, rather than a simple number on a clock.
t!F355gtb2009 said:
so what makes u think most alot of 355's are clocked? care to divulge all the cars that u think are clocked? because imo thats a very precise comment which needs backing up ,especially when people on here are selling there cars.
It common knowledge alot of F-cars are clocked by subsequent owners, maybe not those who buy new, but those who buy and stretch themselves and then want to recoup their value come sale time.Not everyone falls into that bracket, but unless old MOT's, service history etc cannot be provided then it is a cause for concern.
jshell said:
...and if I clock the car just before MOT time? It's relatively simple, and could be done for minimal cost each year. Then the FSH & MOT's are worth how much....?Always buy an exotic car on condition.
on older Ferrari's it's incredibly simple, people have also been known to put a switch into the wiring. "adjusting" the mileage before MOT's or services has always been an issue with high value cars. I know a barrister who at one point had two speedo's for his car one for general use and another for mot & service use, car always kept immaculate and whenever the interior got a bit gruby it would be packed off to leather care in warrington for conolisation
simply because alot of people who buy ferrari's are not tech minded when it comes to cars,like me! i know frig all about cars,and i know alot of other people are the same.
me personally i just wudnt do it,as if your worried about re sale value then surely these cars are not for you,i bought mine and at 23 it had been a dream since school,and i doubt i will ever sell it,im getting a 599 or a gtc to go along side it,but this car truely puts a smile on my face when i pick up the keys!,and to clock it wud in my opinion take away the purity of the car to me,u have to maintain these cars ,as i said mine had a full engine out servicing before i bought it 2-3 months ago,and now its in for another annual service purely because of the milage ive put on it in that time,if i had it clocked sure i wudnt have to do the service this early but wud i want to risk knackering the car for the sake of a few thousand miles on a clock!no thanks!
me personally i just wudnt do it,as if your worried about re sale value then surely these cars are not for you,i bought mine and at 23 it had been a dream since school,and i doubt i will ever sell it,im getting a 599 or a gtc to go along side it,but this car truely puts a smile on my face when i pick up the keys!,and to clock it wud in my opinion take away the purity of the car to me,u have to maintain these cars ,as i said mine had a full engine out servicing before i bought it 2-3 months ago,and now its in for another annual service purely because of the milage ive put on it in that time,if i had it clocked sure i wudnt have to do the service this early but wud i want to risk knackering the car for the sake of a few thousand miles on a clock!no thanks!
Edited by F355gtb2009 on Friday 17th July 19:27
MJK 24 said:
I think speedometers are more likely to be disconnected whilst in use as opposed to cars having their mileages adjusted downwards.
thats the way its done by owners I believewas chatting to a porsche indie the other day.... he was saying he's seen speedos that have been swapped whilst in use
so its not really 'clocking' but 'stopping the clock'
jackal said:
MJK 24 said:
was chatting to a porsche indie the other day.... he was saying he's seen speedos that have been swapped whilst in use
In the "old days" it was possible to ensure that the speedo in a 911 matched the year of the car - the manufacture date was stamped in purple inside a purple triangle on the back of the speedo. I always checked that before I spent too much tme looking over a car - they hide the miles well.On a 355 can't one in theory simply connect to the ECU and interrogate it, or is miles covered not a parameter?
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