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This is great news
Getting new headlining sorted and sorting out the minor niggles with the car think in terms of insurance value will put it down for £3,500 which is great as I only paid £1700 as seller needed the money and to be honest highly undersold the car with just a poor advert on gumtree with hardly any detail and only a tiny picture. However in real life the cars looks very clean the pictures are not over selling it by many means so this just makes me even happier with my purchase
Getting new headlining sorted and sorting out the minor niggles with the car think in terms of insurance value will put it down for £3,500 which is great as I only paid £1700 as seller needed the money and to be honest highly undersold the car with just a poor advert on gumtree with hardly any detail and only a tiny picture. However in real life the cars looks very clean the pictures are not over selling it by many means so this just makes me even happier with my purchase
Greg,
Just make sure your Mini doesn't leak oil onto that lovely block-paved drive!
It looks a cracking car, though. Looks like you got a real bargain. Love the colour too, it sure suits the car which looks 'unspoilt', except for the 13" wheels. You might find that 12" wheels are better once you get into really driving it. 13" are great for show (maybe), but for road holding and handling 12" are generally accepted as better (but still not as good as 10").
What is the engine like?
Peter
Just make sure your Mini doesn't leak oil onto that lovely block-paved drive!
It looks a cracking car, though. Looks like you got a real bargain. Love the colour too, it sure suits the car which looks 'unspoilt', except for the 13" wheels. You might find that 12" wheels are better once you get into really driving it. 13" are great for show (maybe), but for road holding and handling 12" are generally accepted as better (but still not as good as 10").
What is the engine like?
Peter
I think the wheels are 12" to be honest not 100 percent on that but sure they were 6x12 if this is correct?
With regards to engine have not checked the head etc... But I believe just a 1000 with the twin exhaust and the filter and with the exhaust and manifold being 2.5” doubt they are going to help performance. I am going to get a stage 3 head as well as a new cam something like a 266. I am also possibly going to invest twin carbs in the future and look at upgrading to disks on the front as well as a few other bits. It is already a nice mini but I want it to be even nicer lool
With regards to engine have not checked the head etc... But I believe just a 1000 with the twin exhaust and the filter and with the exhaust and manifold being 2.5” doubt they are going to help performance. I am going to get a stage 3 head as well as a new cam something like a 266. I am also possibly going to invest twin carbs in the future and look at upgrading to disks on the front as well as a few other bits. It is already a nice mini but I want it to be even nicer lool
To be honest, it's not really upgrading the discs if you have standard 8.4" discs to start with. The best up-grade is better brake pads, but not necessarliy the EBC 'Green'. The Mintex range is better.
For a 998 the best exhaust with a mildly tuned engine is 1.625" internal diameter right through from exhaust manifold joint to the end of the tailpipe and with a decent silencer box like a Maniflow or small-bore RC40.
You might be better off with a large single carb, say a 1.5" SU on a decent alloy inlet manifold than to go for twins. Twins do tend to put up the insurance for no real gain in power. My Grandson, 'Mayfair Kid' on here, has a 998 bored to 1061 cc with a single HS4 carb, an original 510 Cooper 'S' cam, a 1.625" exhaust with an RC40 box and a 12G295 head. With a few little tweaks, like an Aldon 'Yellow' distributor, it gives 68 bhp at 6000 rpm with no air filter and 66 bhp with the filter fitted. It has a 3.2:1 diff and 12" wheels with Group 2 wheel arches.
It is great to drive and so civilised after my 1964 Cooper 'S' rally car. You'll laugh, but the only problem was that after bulding the engine, when we went to fit the mechanical fuel pump I realised that the original 510 cam did not have the fuel pump drive lobe, so we had to blank off the pump and fit a Facit electric one! Doh!
For a 998 the best exhaust with a mildly tuned engine is 1.625" internal diameter right through from exhaust manifold joint to the end of the tailpipe and with a decent silencer box like a Maniflow or small-bore RC40.
You might be better off with a large single carb, say a 1.5" SU on a decent alloy inlet manifold than to go for twins. Twins do tend to put up the insurance for no real gain in power. My Grandson, 'Mayfair Kid' on here, has a 998 bored to 1061 cc with a single HS4 carb, an original 510 Cooper 'S' cam, a 1.625" exhaust with an RC40 box and a 12G295 head. With a few little tweaks, like an Aldon 'Yellow' distributor, it gives 68 bhp at 6000 rpm with no air filter and 66 bhp with the filter fitted. It has a 3.2:1 diff and 12" wheels with Group 2 wheel arches.
It is great to drive and so civilised after my 1964 Cooper 'S' rally car. You'll laugh, but the only problem was that after bulding the engine, when we went to fit the mechanical fuel pump I realised that the original 510 cam did not have the fuel pump drive lobe, so we had to blank off the pump and fit a Facit electric one! Doh!
Okay thanks for this only aiming for around 60ish... bhp once done so 68 would be ideal
How much would costs be to build an engine to a similar spec to the one you specified as to be honest at the moment do not really want to spend much more then £500 on the engine although could find some more money if required.
And with regards to the brakes the car is running drums all round albeit mini fins so if I upgrade the power I think that these need to be addressed looking around approx £150 should get me a complete metro 4 pot setup as will be keeping the car for a long time so may as well get some decent brakes now rather than later.
How much would costs be to build an engine to a similar spec to the one you specified as to be honest at the moment do not really want to spend much more then £500 on the engine although could find some more money if required.
And with regards to the brakes the car is running drums all round albeit mini fins so if I upgrade the power I think that these need to be addressed looking around approx £150 should get me a complete metro 4 pot setup as will be keeping the car for a long time so may as well get some decent brakes now rather than later.
greggy50, I will be interested to know where you get your insurance from. I recently put my 1978 highly modified 1380 Swiftune Clubman back on the road (having been off road for a number of years) as I wanted to sell it.
I had used Adrian Flux and Graham Sykes on an agreed value basis in the past but they did not want to insure it. We tried so many companies but the answer was always the same ie impossible to insure modded cars these days. In the end we had to take out a bog standard insurance to take the car to the MOT testing station.
The car has now been sold to a foreign buyer.
I am no young girl racer, I am 59 years old.
I had used Adrian Flux and Graham Sykes on an agreed value basis in the past but they did not want to insure it. We tried so many companies but the answer was always the same ie impossible to insure modded cars these days. In the end we had to take out a bog standard insurance to take the car to the MOT testing station.
The car has now been sold to a foreign buyer.
I am no young girl racer, I am 59 years old.
Edited by Mrs Muttleysnoop on Friday 24th July 09:16
have you tried insurance with miniworld? I know it sounds obvious but at least they specialise in classic mini's. They also offer a valuation service (cost is about 15 quid) where you can send them pictures of the car inside and out and they will value it as a collector would, this means that in the case of a rightoff not only do you get a decent amount paid out but you also get first dibs on the wreck ( rightoffs can sometimes be repaired if you have the time, money and patience) they also take into account an mods you've done. My 1979 mini 1000 costs about 20 quid a month.
I am 37 and had a moded mini including rollcage 115bhp engine etc. Both Adrian Flux and Graham Sykes gave me polices (at diffrent times) no problem and at a good price the last being 5000 miles a year less than £200 (me and my wife). Under 25, new drivers or lots of points can be a problem.
Back to the car if you do mode it save some money for rolling road time to get it set up. I think in most cases its worth having done.
Back to the car if you do mode it save some money for rolling road time to get it set up. I think in most cases its worth having done.
greggy50 said:
Okay thanks for this only aiming for around 60ish... bhp once done so 68 would be ideal
How much would costs be to build an engine to a similar spec to the one you specified as to be honest at the moment do not really want to spend much more then £500 on the engine although could find some more money if required.
And with regards to the brakes the car is running drums all round albeit mini fins so if I upgrade the power I think that these need to be addressed looking around approx £150 should get me a complete metro 4 pot setup as will be keeping the car for a long time so may as well get some decent brakes now rather than later.
All you need is a set of standard discs, hubs, calipers and shafts from any 8.4" disc-braked Mini. I'm sure someone on here has a set they would part with for a small consideration. A servo might help, but is not vital and if you can accept drum brakes with no servo, discs won't be a problem. Just make sure the discs are in good condition and fit decent pads.How much would costs be to build an engine to a similar spec to the one you specified as to be honest at the moment do not really want to spend much more then £500 on the engine although could find some more money if required.
And with regards to the brakes the car is running drums all round albeit mini fins so if I upgrade the power I think that these need to be addressed looking around approx £150 should get me a complete metro 4 pot setup as will be keeping the car for a long time so may as well get some decent brakes now rather than later.
If you were to build the engine yourself it could be done complete with new pistons, re-bored, new big-end and main shells, new oil pump, etc for about £500, but that would not include head modifications (or a 12G295 head) or a decent exhaust system. If someone else built it you would have to add the labour. PM me on this if you wish. At normal prices and with all new bits my Grandson's engine would have cost about £750 excluding labour, but since we found a lot of bits 'lying around' in my workshop, it was a lot less. For example, the 510 cam I had taken from a 1275 'S' I had back in 1989-90 when I fitted a 544 rally cam. The head was a 12G295 which i bought for £50 several years ago. The crank only needed a micro-polish and I had a suitable 'almost new' water pump. If you look on ebay and in the Mini Mags classified ads you can pick up lots of bits really cheaply.
60 bhp is easy to get with a 998 bored out a bit.
In fact, the 998 engine is, in some ways, a lot nicer than a 1275 or bigger. It is much smoother at all revs, will really rev if you want it to, doesn't overheat as big lumps do and burns less oil. Unless out-and-out 'grunt' is what is most important, then a modified 998 is a great engine.
Okay thanks a lot for all this great advice
My plans are to first get a new headlining done am getting the minor electric niggles fixed next weekend and having the gearbox looked at as it probably needs a re-con as getting into third is quite tricky to say the least:/ Then after that will get some new brakes as want these before tuning the engine for piece of mind and then probably in a couple of months will look at building up and engine. I might even buy a spare unit and do that up as you can pick a 1000cc engine up for next to nothing nowadays on the mini forums. If you do know of any one with bits needed for a disk brake conversion please point them in my direction as have the money waiting for such a thing and with the help of a couple of mates should be able to fit them myself.
My plans are to first get a new headlining done am getting the minor electric niggles fixed next weekend and having the gearbox looked at as it probably needs a re-con as getting into third is quite tricky to say the least:/ Then after that will get some new brakes as want these before tuning the engine for piece of mind and then probably in a couple of months will look at building up and engine. I might even buy a spare unit and do that up as you can pick a 1000cc engine up for next to nothing nowadays on the mini forums. If you do know of any one with bits needed for a disk brake conversion please point them in my direction as have the money waiting for such a thing and with the help of a couple of mates should be able to fit them myself.
Thats lookin really nice mate - good effort - my clubman estate is gettin done Ford ST orange - gloss black roof black windows, and exactly the same wheels are yours.
If you want serious performance - save up some pennys and go down the same route as me (if your brave) and fit the Honda Vtec engine - mines is the B18a2 Vtec lump out of an integra Type R (DC2) high lift cams - pulleys - 4branch manifold - stand alone fuel managment- VAFC2 vtec controller - Hond R custom head. Currently standard intake with bigger injectors - but this is just until i can afford the supercharger
It all depends on how much money and knowledge u have .... and how good u r with a welder TBH - but if u are gonna do it - go in with your eyes shut... but the performance is blistering
If you want serious performance - save up some pennys and go down the same route as me (if your brave) and fit the Honda Vtec engine - mines is the B18a2 Vtec lump out of an integra Type R (DC2) high lift cams - pulleys - 4branch manifold - stand alone fuel managment- VAFC2 vtec controller - Hond R custom head. Currently standard intake with bigger injectors - but this is just until i can afford the supercharger
It all depends on how much money and knowledge u have .... and how good u r with a welder TBH - but if u are gonna do it - go in with your eyes shut... but the performance is blistering
I think greggy will find the insurance on a 998 quite expensive, so with a 'hot-rod hybrid' it will be huge.
It's good to hear someone who understands the need to sort out brakes and gearbox before up-rating the engine.
I was once asked how to make a Mini go faster. i replied that he should get better brakes, fit proper dampers, set the front and rear suspension properly and set timing and carburation accurately. if you can brake later, go through a corner a bit quicker and come out of it at a higher speed, then your Mini (or any other car) will be 'faster' on a journey.
Sort out engine power when all this has been done.
By the way, Greg, I have a couple of 998 block,crank, piston assemblies going spare. PM me if you are interested. What you then need is a 12G295 head casting, but I don't have a spare one of those.
It's good to hear someone who understands the need to sort out brakes and gearbox before up-rating the engine.
I was once asked how to make a Mini go faster. i replied that he should get better brakes, fit proper dampers, set the front and rear suspension properly and set timing and carburation accurately. if you can brake later, go through a corner a bit quicker and come out of it at a higher speed, then your Mini (or any other car) will be 'faster' on a journey.
Sort out engine power when all this has been done.
By the way, Greg, I have a couple of 998 block,crank, piston assemblies going spare. PM me if you are interested. What you then need is a 12G295 head casting, but I don't have a spare one of those.
Yeah i imagine the insurance would probably be very high for him - was just giving my personal view
Ive been in a Few 998's that have been played with - and boy they can shift for what they are - I love the sound of straight cut gears when fitted - but its not to everyones taste and rather noisy inside on long runs... But thats part of the "mini" life.
It was once said to me "you could buy a BMW and know you are going to reach your desired destination - But half the fun of owning a mini is wondering if your going to get there or not" although i have to say in my personal case - i have only been stranded once... and it was due to a massive puddle.... but it still got me home when it dried out - all be it a little rough.
Ive been in a Few 998's that have been played with - and boy they can shift for what they are - I love the sound of straight cut gears when fitted - but its not to everyones taste and rather noisy inside on long runs... But thats part of the "mini" life.
It was once said to me "you could buy a BMW and know you are going to reach your desired destination - But half the fun of owning a mini is wondering if your going to get there or not" although i have to say in my personal case - i have only been stranded once... and it was due to a massive puddle.... but it still got me home when it dried out - all be it a little rough.
Insurance is not cheap but to be honest with the mods declared is no different to a corsa, saxo etc... that most people my age have don’t want to discuss actual costs but is easily in excess of a grand.
Yes the vtec engine is a nice idea but would cost too much for now, insurance would be impossible and my age and I would almost certainly end up in a hedge within a week with that much power to weight as a first car might be something to look at in a few years.
I think for me going to stick with the current 1000cc lump and will pm cooperman about the spares he has and do a deal as would be ideal for me to have a spare engine which I could slowly do up when I get the money and make a nice spec on. Also means I don’t have to rush it and get look around so I get parts for good prices and in the process of doing it will learn a lot as well as my knowledge on engines is poor to say the least most complicated stuff I have done is 70ing and 172ing my scooter and have a little play with the carbs on them. However with my workshop manual and a help from some of my friends I should be able to pick it up hopefully and with some guidance should be able to make a nice little engine
Yes the vtec engine is a nice idea but would cost too much for now, insurance would be impossible and my age and I would almost certainly end up in a hedge within a week with that much power to weight as a first car might be something to look at in a few years.
I think for me going to stick with the current 1000cc lump and will pm cooperman about the spares he has and do a deal as would be ideal for me to have a spare engine which I could slowly do up when I get the money and make a nice spec on. Also means I don’t have to rush it and get look around so I get parts for good prices and in the process of doing it will learn a lot as well as my knowledge on engines is poor to say the least most complicated stuff I have done is 70ing and 172ing my scooter and have a little play with the carbs on them. However with my workshop manual and a help from some of my friends I should be able to pick it up hopefully and with some guidance should be able to make a nice little engine
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