TVR Cerbera or BMW M3?
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Hi all,
Quick question, looking at getting one of these 2 cars for my daily drive and weekend enjoyment. i realise I will get biased responses on here but I will post this on the M power forum as well to get a balanced view
Or at least thats the theory. Anyway, the TVR is my preference but the main issue would be reliability, I know a couple of people use them day to day, but still unsure on the known issues. Obviously the cerbera is the quicker car, but I am silly in getting one to gain that little extra performance for higher running costs?
Just curious to know you input
Cheers,
Dan
Quick question, looking at getting one of these 2 cars for my daily drive and weekend enjoyment. i realise I will get biased responses on here but I will post this on the M power forum as well to get a balanced view
Or at least thats the theory. Anyway, the TVR is my preference but the main issue would be reliability, I know a couple of people use them day to day, but still unsure on the known issues. Obviously the cerbera is the quicker car, but I am silly in getting one to gain that little extra performance for higher running costs?Just curious to know you input
Cheers,
Dan
You need both M3 for the week and Cerb for the weekend fun? I have had both but the Cerb is not my daily drive and its not a little faster, its f-----g s--t loads faster the M3 used to make me smile the Cerb will have you grinning from ear to ear you will find yourself going out to collect a paper and come back an hour later!! You will find your self looking out of the windows just to see her again its a love affair you will never tire off.
All depends on your budget.
If you have say £10k-£15k to spend on a "good" Cerb and then put a healthy wedge of cash to one side to pay for regular servicing, wear and tear items and the almost inevitable catastrophic failures then you'll be fine (these include starter motor, diff/diff bushes, clutch and various electrical niggles).
If it were me I would have a Cerb over an M3 anyday (presume it's an E46). Whilst the M3 is the better all rounder and a cracking car, it just doesn't have the same sense of occassion that the Cerb has and it will never macth it's sound track or out right speed. Standard for standard the M3 outhandles the Cerb, but unless you will be regualrly tracking the car then on everyday roads this almost becomes irrelevent. Whilst I had my Cerbs I always had a second car as a hack (as already suggested) (sub £1k Polo or similar), this way if the Cerb needs a bit of TLC then you can get it done without fear of not being car less.
Hope this helps,
Jules.
If you have say £10k-£15k to spend on a "good" Cerb and then put a healthy wedge of cash to one side to pay for regular servicing, wear and tear items and the almost inevitable catastrophic failures then you'll be fine (these include starter motor, diff/diff bushes, clutch and various electrical niggles).
If it were me I would have a Cerb over an M3 anyday (presume it's an E46). Whilst the M3 is the better all rounder and a cracking car, it just doesn't have the same sense of occassion that the Cerb has and it will never macth it's sound track or out right speed. Standard for standard the M3 outhandles the Cerb, but unless you will be regualrly tracking the car then on everyday roads this almost becomes irrelevent. Whilst I had my Cerbs I always had a second car as a hack (as already suggested) (sub £1k Polo or similar), this way if the Cerb needs a bit of TLC then you can get it done without fear of not being car less.
Hope this helps,
Jules.
Edited by Cyclone1 on Thursday 23 July 18:01
My e46 M3 cost me 27K 3 years ago....
My cerb cost about 1/3 of it....
The cerb is 3X the car.
= 9X value multiplier that
Seriously though the cerbs are awesome, but depending on your mileage / locations parking & distance of commute, it's probable that the cerb could be a bit of a liability. I took mine into a multistory carpark the other day. Never again. 3 point turns for every ramp, I probably took 2K mileage off the damn clutch. IMO M3 handles a lot better, but I plan to tweak the cerb to my tastes to hopefully counteract some of that.
M3 was a everyday car and got appreciably more mpg to me, 23 v.s. 17. It also warms up a lot faster so you can give it stick for more of the trip. It is a tough one to decide on either, I'd say <10K miles a year and good parking both ends you could consider a cerb, any more than that and the M3 will be a LOT cheaper to run I think with the longer service interval etc...
My cerb cost about 1/3 of it....
The cerb is 3X the car.
= 9X value multiplier that
Seriously though the cerbs are awesome, but depending on your mileage / locations parking & distance of commute, it's probable that the cerb could be a bit of a liability. I took mine into a multistory carpark the other day. Never again. 3 point turns for every ramp, I probably took 2K mileage off the damn clutch. IMO M3 handles a lot better, but I plan to tweak the cerb to my tastes to hopefully counteract some of that.
M3 was a everyday car and got appreciably more mpg to me, 23 v.s. 17. It also warms up a lot faster so you can give it stick for more of the trip. It is a tough one to decide on either, I'd say <10K miles a year and good parking both ends you could consider a cerb, any more than that and the M3 will be a LOT cheaper to run I think with the longer service interval etc...
Edited by stuthemong on Thursday 23 July 20:16
ive had both and they could,nt be any diffrent.
if u need a reliable car get the m3. if your nice to it you can do 32mpg on a run. and will sit at 150mph all day in sclience. and in every day use its much faster than a cerb on our sh**t.
however its no where near as much fun. and in a drag race the cerb will wipe the floor with the m3.
my standard 4.2 is a touch quicker then my friends M3 csl. so they are fast.
in short if u need to depend on the car every day get the m3.
if fun and grabing every ones attention is your highest priority then get the cerb.
if u need a reliable car get the m3. if your nice to it you can do 32mpg on a run. and will sit at 150mph all day in sclience. and in every day use its much faster than a cerb on our sh**t.
however its no where near as much fun. and in a drag race the cerb will wipe the floor with the m3.
my standard 4.2 is a touch quicker then my friends M3 csl. so they are fast.
in short if u need to depend on the car every day get the m3.
if fun and grabing every ones attention is your highest priority then get the cerb.
Looks like I need to have a real think about whether I can sacrifice the running costs, looks, speed, for reliablility.
Gazzab - I disagree, both are around the same price range, both insurance group 20, both 0-60 under 5 seconds, both can acelerate to over 150mph, both have 4 seats, both have a large boot, both RWD, both coupe. Also if you compare two silver ones, then both silver. I realise the obvious difference is the comfort factor, the bmw is the better cruiser and more suited to the commute. Although the tvr is lighter, quicker, and look amazing. Two sides of the same coin IMO.
While im on the subject does anyone have any other suggestions that I may have forgotten about?
Dan
Gazzab - I disagree, both are around the same price range, both insurance group 20, both 0-60 under 5 seconds, both can acelerate to over 150mph, both have 4 seats, both have a large boot, both RWD, both coupe. Also if you compare two silver ones, then both silver.
I realise the obvious difference is the comfort factor, the bmw is the better cruiser and more suited to the commute. Although the tvr is lighter, quicker, and look amazing. Two sides of the same coin IMO.While im on the subject does anyone have any other suggestions that I may have forgotten about?
Dan
Dan
I disagree with you - they are very different cars. Hence why I suggest the M3. The very fact that you would compare them suggests a flawed argument imho.
But its your money, your analysis and your decision.
I love Cerbs but they can be emotionally and finacially draining. An M3 on the other hand is simply a euro box with a big engine, it is realtively cheap to own, it is quite speedy, it handles well in normal driving, it is practical, it is reliable, it is comfortable car to be in, it isnt draining to use every day, it wont leak, it will have few niggles, can live outdoors etc etc
Dan225 said:
...both are around the same price range, both insurance group 20, both 0-60 under 5 seconds, both can acelerate to over 150mph, both have 4 seats, both have a large boot, both RWD, both coupe. Also if you compare two silver ones, then both silver. I realise the obvious difference is the comfort factor, the bmw is the better cruiser and more suited to the commute. Although the tvr is lighter, quicker, and look amazing. Two sides of the same coin IMO.
Same price range - not really an argument to say they are similiar. I realise the obvious difference is the comfort factor, the bmw is the better cruiser and more suited to the commute. Although the tvr is lighter, quicker, and look amazing. Two sides of the same coin IMO.Ins grp 20 - ditto
Cerb is 60 in uder 4 secs so not the same
BMW is limited to 155 whereas a cerb can hit 185 ish or more. So not the same.
A cerb doesnt really have 4 seats - its a 2 + 2.
But yes they both have boots, are RWD and both are coupes.
They are IMHO affordable quick cars that many people desire to own. The E46 is now however in 'yesterdays hero' mode whereas TVRs tend to transcend that period better. Simply cos there are less of them.
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