Quick advice needed (please)
Discussion
To keep it short. I Got a parking ticket not long ago. Tomorrow is the deadline for my 2 week 'cheaper' fine to be paid.
Last Friday, I sent a photocopy of my ticket with a letter stating that it had not been signed by the parking attendant and that maybe it was'nt enforcable.
I asked them to inform me ASAP whether this was correct or not and left 2 phone numbers and my address on the letter.
Still not heard back from them. Will my fine revert to the £60 if I dont pay up by tomorrow or do I have a sound excuse/reason for not paying it yet.
I've obviously kept a copy of my letter.
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Last Friday, I sent a photocopy of my ticket with a letter stating that it had not been signed by the parking attendant and that maybe it was'nt enforcable.
I asked them to inform me ASAP whether this was correct or not and left 2 phone numbers and my address on the letter.
Still not heard back from them. Will my fine revert to the £60 if I dont pay up by tomorrow or do I have a sound excuse/reason for not paying it yet.
I've obviously kept a copy of my letter.
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Couldn't find anything about being signed, but if there's a box on the ticket for it then I'd assume it was correct to fight the ticket.
Couldn't find anything about being signed, but if there's a box on the ticket for it then I'd assume it was correct to fight the ticket.
I had a similar situation where I had sent corispondance and was awaiting a reply (although the circumstances were different). As I had sent them a letter, and they were dealing with it my understanding was that the £30 fine stood. It was their responsibility to reply and the clock would start again once they had sent it.
In any event, I didn't have to pay the fine but if I had done, it would have been £30.
Depends upon the council though I guess
In any event, I didn't have to pay the fine but if I had done, it would have been £30.
Depends upon the council though I guess
www.parkingticket.co.uk/em.html says
To avoid having to pay a ticket at the full price is it advisable to send a check for the discounted price with a challenge in case it is unsuccessful?
If you send a cheque with your challenge to the validity of a ticket it is almost certain that the council will bank the cheque and close the case. It is standard practice for councils to 'stop the clock' whilst they consider an initial representation. If they reject it they will almost invariably give you the opportunity to pay at the reduced rate provided that you do so within 14 days of their notification.
To avoid having to pay a ticket at the full price is it advisable to send a check for the discounted price with a challenge in case it is unsuccessful?
If you send a cheque with your challenge to the validity of a ticket it is almost certain that the council will bank the cheque and close the case. It is standard practice for councils to 'stop the clock' whilst they consider an initial representation. If they reject it they will almost invariably give you the opportunity to pay at the reduced rate provided that you do so within 14 days of their notification.
THANKS FOLKSHow's this for interesting?! 
Is it true that a parking ticket is not valid if it is issued by a parking attendant not wearing a hat?
The Department for Transport guidance circular 1/95 says “…when carrying out prescribe functions, and issuing a PCN is one such, [parking attendants] are subject to the Parking Attendants (Wearing of Uniforms) (London) regulations 1993.”
The National Parking Adjudication Service says that, in view of circular 1/95 PAs should wear hats during enforcement activity, but goes on to say that a PA not wearing headgear would not in itself be grounds for an appeal but could be considered as part of an appeal. The adjudicator would have to give it the importance he thought relevant to the case.
Is it true that a parking ticket is not valid if it is issued by a parking attendant not wearing a hat?
The Department for Transport guidance circular 1/95 says “…when carrying out prescribe functions, and issuing a PCN is one such, [parking attendants] are subject to the Parking Attendants (Wearing of Uniforms) (London) regulations 1993.”
The National Parking Adjudication Service says that, in view of circular 1/95 PAs should wear hats during enforcement activity, but goes on to say that a PA not wearing headgear would not in itself be grounds for an appeal but could be considered as part of an appeal. The adjudicator would have to give it the importance he thought relevant to the case.
devil's advocate mode on:
so an unsigned parking ticket isn't valid...
...unsigned NIP - just cos there is a box to sign do you have to sign it?
?????
CH
not sure of the point I'm trying to make here, something about signing/not signeing where there is space to do so...
...maybe the TW read the advice on this forum - DON'T SIGN!
so an unsigned parking ticket isn't valid...
...unsigned NIP - just cos there is a box to sign do you have to sign it?
?????
CH
not sure of the point I'm trying to make here, something about signing/not signeing where there is space to do so... ...maybe the TW read the advice on this forum - DON'T SIGN!
Parking attendants.
Road Traffic Act 1991 Section 63A.
1) A local authority may provide for the supervision of parking places within their area by individuals to be known as parking attendants.
(2) Parking attendants shall also have such other functions in relation to stationary vehicles as may be conferred by or under any other enactment.
(3) A parking attendant shall be—
(a) an individual employed by the authority; or
(b) where the authority have made arrangements with any person for the purposes of this section, an individual employed by that person to act as a parking attendant.
(4) Parking attendants in Greater London shall wear such uniform as the Secretary of State may determine when exercising prescribed functions, and shall not exercise any of those functions when not in uniform.
DVD
Road Traffic Act 1991 Section 63A.
1) A local authority may provide for the supervision of parking places within their area by individuals to be known as parking attendants.
(2) Parking attendants shall also have such other functions in relation to stationary vehicles as may be conferred by or under any other enactment.
(3) A parking attendant shall be—
(a) an individual employed by the authority; or
(b) where the authority have made arrangements with any person for the purposes of this section, an individual employed by that person to act as a parking attendant.
(4) Parking attendants in Greater London shall wear such uniform as the Secretary of State may determine when exercising prescribed functions, and shall not exercise any of those functions when not in uniform.
DVD
Dwight VanDriver said:
Tell that to a CID man if you dare??
DVD
Does anyone know if its true that CID (or any non-uniformed officer) can't nick you for a traffic offence and must get a uniformed officer to attend the scene.
I'm sure that I read/saw something about this once, just out of interest I wanted to make sure I did not dream it (although why the hell I would do that is beyond me)
scaff said:
Dwight VanDriver said:
Tell that to a CID man if you dare??
DVD
Does anyone know if its true that CID (or any non-uniformed officer) can't nick you for a traffic offence and must get a uniformed officer to attend the scene.
I'm sure that I read/saw something about this once, just out of interest I wanted to make sure I did not dream it (although why the hell I would do that is beyond me)
dont know if it law but it what they ushally do.
last time we were playing follow the lead with a 3 cid cars
they ended up getting to trafic cars to pull us along m1
i think it just ushall pratis not law.
to save em getting ramed off the road and every one claim they dident know they were plod.
>> Edited by Roadrage on Thursday 18th December 21:07
Roadrage said:
scaff said:
Dwight VanDriver said:
Tell that to a CID man if you dare??
DVD
Does anyone know if its true that CID (or any non-uniformed officer) can't nick you for a traffic offence and must get a uniformed officer to attend the scene.
I'm sure that I read/saw something about this once, just out of interest I wanted to make sure I did not dream it (although why the hell I would do that is beyond me)
dont know if it law but it what they ushally do.
last time we were playing follow the lead with a 3 cid cars
they ended up getting to trafic cars to pull us along m1
i think it just ushall pratis not law.
Interesting, wonder if it is just SOP or a legal thing, any BiB out there able to let us know?
>> Edited by scaff on Thursday 18th December 21:37
Roadrage said:Eerily familiar
dont know if it law but it what they ushally do.
last time we were playing follow the lead with a 3 cid cars
they ended up getting to trafic cars to pull us along m1
i think it just ushall pratis not law.
to save em getting ramed off the road and every one claim they dident know they were plod.
- Streakystreaky said:
Roadrage said:
dont know if it law but it what they ushally do.
last time we were playing follow the lead with a 3 cid cars
they ended up getting to trafic cars to pull us along m1
i think it just ushall pratis not law.
to save em getting ramed off the road and every one claim they dident know they were plod.
Eerily familiar
you noticed
lucky for the other guys they followed the wroung car our car, or he would hav got 5 to 10 for what was in the boot
>> Edited by Roadrage on Thursday 18th December 22:23
Getting off the original topic, but the comments about what 'authority figures' can and cannot do lead me into this.
Customs folk cannot search your car or luggage unless they are wearing white gloves, this is law and is on the statutes, but hardly any of them will know this. If you can persuade them to look it up, the chances are they wont have any and will then have to get some. Not recommended if you are innocent and dont have anything to declare as it pisses them off bigtime and you will be detained whilst they sort it out. But if you have got something to hide and they search you without white gloves and find something, it aint worth jack to them. Not many briefs know this either, but it was usefull in the days when you couldnt bring much booze or fags back.
Also the so-called passport officials that check you in and out of the country have no right to see your passport, only a Police Officer has that right, also if you are a British Citizen no-one has the right to see your passport when you are leaving the country, not anybody, period. Not even to check if you are a British Citizen and so therefore it is OK not to see your passport, they have to verify that by other means instead, but not your passport.
Good book called 'One mans view' by Walter Saloman, chapter called 'The awkward squad'. He was a very rich man with an interest in personal liberty and individual freedom so he could afford to dick about with things like this and take them to court and win. He never showed his passport when leaving and always sued over the trouble this caused (his refusal led to being searched, without white gloves of course!!!) he won everytime.
Customs folk cannot search your car or luggage unless they are wearing white gloves, this is law and is on the statutes, but hardly any of them will know this. If you can persuade them to look it up, the chances are they wont have any and will then have to get some. Not recommended if you are innocent and dont have anything to declare as it pisses them off bigtime and you will be detained whilst they sort it out. But if you have got something to hide and they search you without white gloves and find something, it aint worth jack to them. Not many briefs know this either, but it was usefull in the days when you couldnt bring much booze or fags back.
Also the so-called passport officials that check you in and out of the country have no right to see your passport, only a Police Officer has that right, also if you are a British Citizen no-one has the right to see your passport when you are leaving the country, not anybody, period. Not even to check if you are a British Citizen and so therefore it is OK not to see your passport, they have to verify that by other means instead, but not your passport.
Good book called 'One mans view' by Walter Saloman, chapter called 'The awkward squad'. He was a very rich man with an interest in personal liberty and individual freedom so he could afford to dick about with things like this and take them to court and win. He never showed his passport when leaving and always sued over the trouble this caused (his refusal led to being searched, without white gloves of course!!!) he won everytime.
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