SPECS on A616, Stocksbridge, South Yorkshire
Discussion
WHOAH!!
Didn't know about these ones! I rarely drive this section, but fear these SPECS look remarkably permanent
www.speedcheck.co.uk/cs07.htm
The site highlights current (and previous) SPECS locations in England. Hope it's some of some help to some PHers.
>>> Edited by heckler on Saturday 20th December 03:30
Didn't know about these ones! I rarely drive this section, but fear these SPECS look remarkably permanent
www.speedcheck.co.uk/cs07.htm
The site highlights current (and previous) SPECS locations in England. Hope it's some of some help to some PHers.
>>> Edited by heckler on Saturday 20th December 03:30
My comments are given with the caveat that it's some time since I drove the Stocksbridge bypass, not that I'm going to let that stop me. 
The ridiculous bit about this road is that quite frankly it IS a dangerous road, but WTF do they think speed cameras are going to do. This makes me so cross!
The problem is the three lane design and dopey overtaking manoeuvres.
There is a real solution out there to this problem with road engineering.
There has been an EU experiment going on for some time in Sweden with a number of roads having, what seems to me, an extremely intelligent form of dualling.
Example is the E4 north of Gävle. There are others around the country.
The previously wide single carriageway with a lousy accident record has been dualled. Offset narrow central reserve with wire rope style barrier, two lanes one direction one the other. Except that the offset of the central reserve changes every mile or so so that traffic in each directon gets a two lane section every two miles.
The result is, no frustration, no tailgating, no stupid overtaking, everyones patient because you know you are going to get another safe clear shot within a mile maximum.
Oh sorry I forgot it doesn't pay for itself does it? Nope, but it gives the required result, no accidents!
Sorry about that folks, I'll be OK after a lie down!
>> Edited by Flat in Fifth on Saturday 20th December 09:01
The ridiculous bit about this road is that quite frankly it IS a dangerous road, but WTF do they think speed cameras are going to do. This makes me so cross!
The problem is the three lane design and dopey overtaking manoeuvres.
There is a real solution out there to this problem with road engineering.
There has been an EU experiment going on for some time in Sweden with a number of roads having, what seems to me, an extremely intelligent form of dualling.
Example is the E4 north of Gävle. There are others around the country.
The previously wide single carriageway with a lousy accident record has been dualled. Offset narrow central reserve with wire rope style barrier, two lanes one direction one the other. Except that the offset of the central reserve changes every mile or so so that traffic in each directon gets a two lane section every two miles.
The result is, no frustration, no tailgating, no stupid overtaking, everyones patient because you know you are going to get another safe clear shot within a mile maximum.
Oh sorry I forgot it doesn't pay for itself does it? Nope, but it gives the required result, no accidents!
Sorry about that folks, I'll be OK after a lie down!
>> Edited by Flat in Fifth on Saturday 20th December 09:01
It is the second (or third) most dangerous road in the U.K. - the cameras are o.k. by me, but I agree, road engineering is the real answer.
I've used that road regularly for years, and never had any problems, but the combination of crawler lanes, slow lorries, fast sections, lots of turnings on and off the road, and heavy traffic to and from Manchester/Sheffield, make it an incredibly dangerous stretch.
Interestingly, at least 2 people have died there since the cameras were introduced!! A better argument against scameras I can't imagine....
I've used that road regularly for years, and never had any problems, but the combination of crawler lanes, slow lorries, fast sections, lots of turnings on and off the road, and heavy traffic to and from Manchester/Sheffield, make it an incredibly dangerous stretch.
Interestingly, at least 2 people have died there since the cameras were introduced!! A better argument against scameras I can't imagine....
Hang on - to quote the website:
"Since the installation of SPECS in December 2002 there has been a marked decrease in speeds of vehicles travelling along the Stockbridge Bypass."
No shit sherlock - because they have speed cameras on it, average speeds have dropped - must have taken a supercomputer and the best mathematical brains of the UK to figure that one one!!! No mention of lives saved and injuries averted though - COS THERE IS NO EVIDENCE.
"Since the installation of SPECS in December 2002 there has been a marked decrease in speeds of vehicles travelling along the Stockbridge Bypass."
No shit sherlock - because they have speed cameras on it, average speeds have dropped - must have taken a supercomputer and the best mathematical brains of the UK to figure that one one!!! No mention of lives saved and injuries averted though - COS THERE IS NO EVIDENCE.
The A303 used to be a very wide single carriageway westbound for a 10 mile stretch. It was changed the middle of this year two an exchanging 2-1 system just like the French roads.
Previously I had witnessed two accidents & passed dozens on that stretch of road. It was lethal due to stupid dumbass overtaking & seriously crap road design.
They have now changed it to 2-1 swapping over every 2miles or so. So much safer it just show you dont need speed cameras to make a road safe.
Previously I had witnessed two accidents & passed dozens on that stretch of road. It was lethal due to stupid dumbass overtaking & seriously crap road design.
They have now changed it to 2-1 swapping over every 2miles or so. So much safer it just show you dont need speed cameras to make a road safe.
Drive this road a lot - agree its about road design, should be dual carriageway. Like the idea of 2 and 1 lanes with a narrow barrier.
According to the Sheffield Telegraph, ' a number of speeders have been caught' and 'deaths are down' - no figures given....
Personally I think the systems off - I have never heard of anyone getting done..........
According to the Sheffield Telegraph, ' a number of speeders have been caught' and 'deaths are down' - no figures given....
Personally I think the systems off - I have never heard of anyone getting done..........
I have driven this road for years before and after the new road was built and with the cameras. There has always been deaths up there but how many were actually speed related? The area suffers from bad weather, in the form of ice snow fog in higher proportions than only five miles lower down in say Barnsley. The steel works up there give lots of lorries with heavy loads causing hold ups and then people take chance manouvers and hit things ie BAD DRIVING. The cameras were installed after a woman tried an overtaking manouver and ended up killing herself and her two children IIRC. The road was bulit on the cheap not dualing as should be and is used as a short cut to Manchester by lorries which would be better on the M62 if that was not jammed solid. It is another example of serious errors in planning, there was a suggestion that the old woodhead railway which crosses not too far away was to be made into a trunk road but guess what they made it into the Trans pennine cyclepath instead so you can ride untroubled across the pennines where you can't drive. And the two other cyclists I have seen at the dunford bridge area on this cyclepath probably think it was money well spent.
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