US Extradition Treaty - an Act of Treason

US Extradition Treaty - an Act of Treason

Poll: US Extradition Treaty - an Act of Treason

Total Members Polled: 132

Yes: 91%
No: 9%
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fluffnik

Original Poster:

20,156 posts

228 months

Friday 31st July 2009
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I think that signing the US Extradition Treaty which puts the interests of a foreign power ahead of the rights of our citizens and is asymmetric in favour of the USA was an Act of Treason.

Do you?

Marf

22,907 posts

242 months

Friday 31st July 2009
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Yes, the whole thing is a farce, and makes me ashamed to be British.


BiggusLaddus

821 posts

232 months

Friday 31st July 2009
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Yes. Our government has effectively told the americans that their citizens are worth more than ours.

Edit to add: It is the kind of agreement I would have expected us to make with a small 3rd world country at the height of our colonial power.

Edited by BiggusLaddus on Friday 31st July 13:20

Lefty Guns

16,169 posts

203 months

Friday 31st July 2009
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I think if somebody has committed a crime against the US they ought to be tried in the US.

Marf

22,907 posts

242 months

Friday 31st July 2009
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Lefty Guns said:
I think if somebody has committed a crime against the US they ought to be tried in the US.
Even if that crime was committed on UK soil?

esselte

14,626 posts

268 months

Friday 31st July 2009
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Lefty Guns said:
I think if somebody has committed a crime against the US they ought to be tried in the US.
Maybe but the Treaty isn't reciprocal as far as I am aware.

Edited by esselte on Friday 31st July 13:28

Lefty Guns

16,169 posts

203 months

Friday 31st July 2009
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We're talking about Gary McKinnon right?

He's a fkwit. And he deserves to be tried and punished (if guilty of course) by the US.

The BBC reported that "Somebody suffering from Aspergers would find prison very hard to tolerate." I think that's the point of prison.

He knew full well what he was doing - he has said himself that he was aware of the criminality of it but that he was on a "moral crusade".

Now, he maybe doesn't deserve the chair but he ought to get a fking long prison sentence.

s2art

18,937 posts

254 months

Friday 31st July 2009
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Lefty Guns said:
I think if somebody has committed a crime against the US they ought to be tried in the US.
Hmmm. What if what they did isnt a crime in the UK?

Marf

22,907 posts

242 months

Friday 31st July 2009
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esselte said:
Lefty Guns said:
I think if somebody has committed a crime against the US they ought to be tried in the US.
Maybe but the Act isn't reciprocal as far as I am aware.
No, its not. The burden of proof that the US has to supply should they wish to extradite a British citizen is miniscule compared to the burden of proof we would have to supply to extradite a US citizen.

fluffnik

Original Poster:

20,156 posts

228 months

Friday 31st July 2009
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Lefty Guns said:
I think if somebody has committed a crime against the US they ought to be tried in the US.
Only if they were in the US.

...and they should only be extradited if there is prima facie evidence.

esselte

14,626 posts

268 months

Friday 31st July 2009
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s2art said:
Lefty Guns said:
I think if somebody has committed a crime against the US they ought to be tried in the US.
Hmmm. What if what they did isnt a crime in the UK?
Interesting...such as?

beanbag

7,346 posts

242 months

Friday 31st July 2009
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Lefty Guns said:
We're talking about Gary McKinnon right?

He's a fkwit. And he deserves to be tried and punished (if guilty of course) by the US.

The BBC reported that "Somebody suffering from Aspergers would find prison very hard to tolerate." I think that's the point of prison.

He knew full well what he was doing - he has said himself that he was aware of the criminality of it but that he was on a "moral crusade".

Now, he maybe doesn't deserve the chair but he ought to get a fking long prison sentence.
I don't agree with the act however I agree this tosser should be punished.

Anyone can reason that hacking into a government agency is going to be both illegal and highly dodgy....especially the US government.

He's a tt for trying in the first place.

BiggusLaddus

821 posts

232 months

Friday 31st July 2009
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Lefty Guns said:
We're talking about Gary McKinnon right?
No. We're talking about the treaty with the US that we hand over our subjects on a whim without a reciprocal agreement.

Marf

22,907 posts

242 months

Friday 31st July 2009
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beanbag said:
I don't agree with the act however I agree this tosser should be punished.
So do you think he should be tried and punished here then?

fluffnik

Original Poster:

20,156 posts

228 months

Friday 31st July 2009
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Lefty Guns said:
We're talking about Gary McKinnon right?

He's a fkwit. And he deserves to be tried and punished (if guilty of course) by the US.
He might deserve a bit of community service, tops.

His only "crime", if such it was, was to expose the rank incompetence of the American military.

It's not like he's responsible for the deaths of countless innocents, like the treasonous twunt who signed the treaty.

s2art

18,937 posts

254 months

Friday 31st July 2009
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esselte said:
s2art said:
Lefty Guns said:
I think if somebody has committed a crime against the US they ought to be tried in the US.
Hmmm. What if what they did isnt a crime in the UK?
Interesting...such as?
Well, not sure but burning the Star and Stripes might be one. I was thinking of similarities with the European arrest warrant. What if someone was a holocaust denier and Germany decided they wanted to prosecute them?

BiggusLaddus

821 posts

232 months

Friday 31st July 2009
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Or was selling Nazi memorabilia on a website that could be viewed in Germany?

Oakey

27,595 posts

217 months

Friday 31st July 2009
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BiggusLaddus said:
Or was selling Nazi memorabilia on a website that could be viewed in Germany?
Or running an online gambling website that isn't blocked from the US?

esselte

14,626 posts

268 months

Friday 31st July 2009
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BiggusLaddus said:
Or was selling Nazi memorabilia on a website that could be viewed in Germany?
I thought we were talking about the U.S?

beanbag

7,346 posts

242 months

Friday 31st July 2009
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Marf said:
beanbag said:
I don't agree with the act however I agree this tosser should be punished.
So do you think he should be tried and punished here then?
Yes. How do you think we would react if we found some American nerd was hacking our government systems, stealing information and making it public?