police taking cars away

[dannybmw]

There are new laws saying that the old bill can take your car away from you if you use your car in a manner that causes alarm ,distress or annoyance. Last week they took a brand new evo8 from a lady who happened to drive by a car park where there was a cruise happening.Then they gave it back the next day. WHAT WAS THE POINT!! . Im not anti police but its things like this that piss people off .

[apache]

I'm afraid these new laws are going to alienate the police even further, I can't get my head round it be honest. Practically everyone uses a car in this country and the Government are trying to vilify every one of us using the BiB as a weapon, why ffs?

>> Edited by apache on Monday 22 December 19:47

[deltaf]

Cos nanny says, "you WILL do what we tell you to do".

More stupid laws. Mind you, the more i see of my fellow humans, the more i feel that the majority of them may need this kind of state intervention and control.
A sad situation indeed.

[Tafia]

apache said:

I'm afraid these new laws are going to alienate the police even further, I can't get my head round it be honest. Practically everyone uses a car in this country and the Government are trying to vilify every one of us using the BiB as a weapon, why ffs? >> Edited by apache on Monday 22 December 19:47

Because our Commie bosses in Europe have demanded it. Seen the Copenhagen declaration?

Read it here and weep.

www.myflorida.com/fdi/edesign/news/9708/reviews/mobility.htm

Note para 7.

All decision-makers at the local, regional, national, and European levels are urged to play their part in changing our culture of mobility!

They want our licences, not just our cash.

And the disgusting thing is, some of our cops are actually helping to persecute their fellow citizens.
They are not stupid; they know a driver doing 35 in a 30 with a clear road in front poses no danger to anyone. And still they persist.

You see, Commie social reformers see the car as a great symbol of a divided society. We have cars and others do not. So it is our fault that society is unequal and unfair. Give up your car today and all the worlds problems will be solved.


>> Edited by Tafia on Monday 22 December 20:05

[apache]

Well on the face of it seems like a good idea, I've always thought the pedestrian is more important than the car, I would love to see Cambridge free of traffic. This is not a problem for me. But will it remain focused on the Cities?

[regmolehusband]

Strangely enough there's a report on the front page of our local rag today about a teenager who had his Escort taken off him for making it backfire not once but twice!!

Constable Jackson said the car was seized and impounded and the owner will have to pay £105 for its return and a further £12 for each day it is kept in store. He added "This type of behaviour is unacceptable and will not be tolerated"

[silverback mike]

Used as it is intended folks,I think it is a good idea.
Whether personal perceptions of the PC who seizes the vehicle are put into question are another matter, however there are strict guidelines of which have to be adhered to.
I guess time will tell.

[streaky]

regmolehusband said:

Strangely enough there's a report on the front page of our local rag today about a teenager who had his Escort taken off him for making it backfire not once but twice!! Constable Jackson said the car was seized and impounded and the owner will have to pay £105 for its return and a further £12 for each day it is kept in store. He added "This type of behaviour is unacceptable and will not be tolerated"

That better hadn't cover V8 overrun 'burble' - Streaky

[PetrolTed]

A scary precedent though. Now the police can act as judge and jury?

[silverback mike]

I see the point Ted, but I don't think so.
As it is a Police officer can remove a vehicle for other reasons, and this has the same charges attached.

If a vehicle has been taken by way of information contained in this thread it is for a genuine safety reason. And, if dealt with in the correct manner then it can only be good.

You just need to look at customs and excise powers for real judge and jury scenarios.

Makes you think though.

>> Edited by silverback mike on Monday 22 December 22:20

[JamieBeeston]

Mike,

alas you speak from a sensible BiB perspective, however I fear it will be your 'darkside' bretherin whom find the 'need' to exercise this power on a regular basis....

<SithPlod> Respect my Authorataieeeeeeeeeeee
<PetrolHead> Erm, Sure... but I was just driving to tescos..
<SithPlod> I dont like your tone, consider your car impounded mwuahahhaahahhaha



Like you say, used in the correct way, it COULD be acceptable.. alas... I fear used in a daily way... it will quickly serve to be the 'ultimate oneupmanship'

[Roadrage]

I can see this one being abuse well and truely.

take mine and there be missing quite a few plod car from the local station.

[streaky]

silverback mike said:

... You just need to look at customs and excise powers for real judge and jury scenarios.

And executioner!

[gh0st]

Roadrage said:

I can see this one being abuse well and truely. take mine and there be missing quite a few plod car from the local station.

[Dwight VanDriver]

Oh yee of little faith.

Cannot you see that it is the anti social behaviour of the DRIVER that attracts the action of BiB and possible seizure of the vehicle.Behave your bloodyself and Plod will have no power to do so.

Under Police Reform Act 2002, S.59 only applies if vehicle is driven carelessly/without reasonable consideration, or prohibited off roading and the action likely to cause alarm, annoyance etc.

Even then Plod can can only seize /remove vehicle if after a warning to driver he continues and thought likely to continue to do so with his AS behaviour.

Holy Murphy that's More than fair is it not?.

DVD

Don't take hearsay or scurrilous reports in Rags as gospel.

[Roadrage]

Dwight VanDriver said:

Oh yee of little faith. Cannot you see that it is the anti social behaviour of the DRIVER that attracts the action of BiB and possible seizure of the vehicle.Behave your bloodyself and Plod will have no power to do so. Under Police Reform Act 2002, S.59 only applies if vehicle is driven carelessly/without reasonable consideration, or prohibited off roading and the action likely to cause alarm, annoyance etc. Even then Plod can can only seize /remove vehicle if after a warning to driver he continues and thought likely to continue to do so with his AS behaviour. Holy Murphy that's More than fair is it not?. DVD Don't take hearsay or scurrilous reports in Rags as gospel.

trust me alot will abuse it.

[bluepolarbear]

Dwight VanDriver said:

Oh yee of little faith. Under Police Reform Act 2002, S.59 only applies if vehicle is driven and the action likely to cause alarm, annoyance etc. Even then Plod can can only seize /remove vehicle if after a warning to driver he continues and thought likely to continue to do so with his AS behaviour. Holy Murphy that's More than fair is it not?.

Would be if it is true but it doesn't paint the complete picture.

The BiB doesn't have to give a warning in a number of circumstances including where a warning has been given to a different driver of the vehicle and where a warning has been given to the driver in the previous 12 months.

Further you don't have to be engaged in carelessly/without reasonable consideration, off roading for the car to confisicated. You only have to be suspected of doing it. It is this clause which allows abuse of the law to occur. As it would allow every car at a cruise to be confisicated regardless if they were just watching or it would explain why the lady at the start of the thread had her car confisicated.

[bluepolarbear]

silverback mike said:

IYou just need to look at customs and excise powers for real judge and jury scenarios.

True but the BiB are catching up fast

[nonegreen]

JamieBeeston said:

Mike, alas you speak from a sensible BiB perspective, however I fear it will be your 'darkside' bretherin whom find the 'need' to exercise this power on a regular basis.... <SithPlod> Respect my Authorataieeeeeeeeeeee <PetrolHead> Erm, Sure... but I was just driving to tescos.. <SithPlod> I dont like your tone, consider your car impounded mwuahahhaahahhaha Like you say, used in the correct way, it COULD be acceptable.. alas... I fear used in a daily way... it will quickly serve to be the 'ultimate oneupmanship'

You are unlikely to have a problem with reasonable plod. The answer to the odd nutter you may come accross is to take him back to the station and report him for being a nutter. If you come accross as a reasonable human being you will be OK.

[busa_rush]

I know there are all sorts of BiB out there but I used to know a number of them a few years back (worked with them) and I knew what they used to get up to. If a "Yoof" has a loud exhaust, makes a quick joke when certain BiB's are talking to him, having his car confiscated will be just one thing he needs to worry about even though technically he done nothing wrong.

The BiB here seem pretty reasonable chaps but there's a whole range of personalities in every job and Police are no exception.