Another bomb gone off in majorca

[i remember]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8192267.st...

Anymore? you scum bds!

[OnTheOverrun]

When the Spanish got bombed by al qaeda and then withdrew from Iraq, they sent a clear message to terrorists that they will be intimidated and will surrender to terrorism. AQ might now leave them alone, but ETA now have carte blanche to bomb them into another surrender.

[Silver993tt]

not a nice situation if you have a holiday booked there this summer.

[swiftpete]

Even if the bombs weren't going off, it's not a nice place to be on holiday anyway.

[MitchT]

OH is in holiday in Palma

[EDLT]

OnTheOverrun said:

When the Spanish got bombed by al qaeda and then withdrew from Iraq, they sent a clear message to terrorists that they will be intimidated and will surrender to terrorism. AQ might now leave them alone, but ETA now have carte blanche to bomb them into another surrender.

The UK got bombed too and we stayed in Iraq... then got bombed again (in a really half-arsed way). Maybe it says more about the Spanish police than anything else.

[Cupramax]

swiftpete said:

Even if the bombs weren't going off, it's not a nice place to be on holiday anyway.

Rubbish, Mallorca is fantastic as long as you stay away from the parts full of brits

[Eric Mc]

swiftpete said:

Even if the bombs weren't going off, it's not a nice place to be on holiday anyway.

Palma is a lovely city and there are some stunning parts to the island - just stay clear of Magaluff.

[glazbagun]

EDLT said:

OnTheOverrun said:

When the Spanish got bombed by al qaeda and then withdrew from Iraq, they sent a clear message to terrorists that they will be intimidated and will surrender to terrorism. AQ might now leave them alone, but ETA now have carte blanche to bomb them into another surrender.

The UK got bombed too and we stayed in Iraq... then got bombed again (in a really half-arsed way). Maybe it says more about the Spanish police than anything else.

They didn't surrender to AQ, they just punished their govt for going against their collective will and bringing death on the populace. ETA is Spains business, Iraq wasn't.

The Spaniards didnt want to go into Iraq in the first place- it was mega-unpopular, but the govt joined up anyway. What I picked up from that was that when you go against the public will in Spain, the electorate vote you out, but when you go against the electorate in the UK they grumble a whole lot and then vote you back in. Remember also that the then-govt in Spain tried to pin the Al-Qaeda bombings on ETA (who they were taking a hard line against) before the facts came to light, which didn't help them much, either.

Not to say that it's OK for one group to bomb you to death and not another, but rather that blatantly lying to the populace seems to carry a heavier price over there than here.

Edited by glazbagun on Sunday 9th August 23:36

[OnTheOverrun]

EDLT said:

OnTheOverrun said:

When the Spanish got bombed by al qaeda and then withdrew from Iraq, they sent a clear message to terrorists that they will be intimidated and will surrender to terrorism. AQ might now leave them alone, but ETA now have carte blanche to bomb them into another surrender.

The UK got bombed too and we stayed in Iraq... then got bombed again (in a really half-arsed way). Maybe it says more about the Spanish police than anything else.

Erm, your logic fails a bit on that one. We got bombed by roughly the same people again because we didn't withdraw when they first bombed us. The Spanish have been left alone by the people who originally bombed them as they've done as requested, but now everyone knows they will capitulate when threatened, their old enemy now has renewed vigour.

[OnTheOverrun]

glazbagun said:

EDLT said:

OnTheOverrun said:

When the Spanish got bombed by al qaeda and then withdrew from Iraq, they sent a clear message to terrorists that they will be intimidated and will surrender to terrorism. AQ might now leave them alone, but ETA now have carte blanche to bomb them into another surrender.

The UK got bombed too and we stayed in Iraq... then got bombed again (in a really half-arsed way). Maybe it says more about the Spanish police than anything else.

They didn't surrender to AQ, they just punished their govt for going against their collective will and bringing death on the populace. ETA is Spains business, Iraq wasn't.

The Spaniards didnt want to go into Iraq in the first place- it was mega-unpopular, but the govt joined up anyway. What I picked up from that was that when you go against the public will in Spain, the electorate vote you out, but when you go against the electorate in the UK they grumble a whole lot and then vote you back in. Remember also that the then-govt in Spain tried to pin the Al-Qaeda bombings on ETA (who they were taking a hard line against) before the facts came to light, which didn't help them much, either.

Not to say that it's OK for one group to bomb you to death and not another, but rather that blatantly lying to the populace seems to carry a heavier price over there than here.

Edited by glazbagun on Sunday 9th August 23:36

The government didn't surrender to AQ, the Spanish people did. When the British are bombed we tend to dig our heels in and say we will not be bullied, the Spanish people clearly prefer appeasement and chose to vote that way but then they were still a military dictatorship right up into the seventies, so perhaps rolling over is more in their national character.

[Colonial]

OnTheOverrun said:

EDLT said:

OnTheOverrun said:

When the Spanish got bombed by al qaeda and then withdrew from Iraq, they sent a clear message to terrorists that they will be intimidated and will surrender to terrorism. AQ might now leave them alone, but ETA now have carte blanche to bomb them into another surrender.

The UK got bombed too and we stayed in Iraq... then got bombed again (in a really half-arsed way). Maybe it says more about the Spanish police than anything else.

Erm, your logic fails a bit on that one. We got bombed by roughly the same people again because we didn't withdraw when they first bombed us. The Spanish have been left alone by the people who originally bombed them as they've done as requested, but now everyone knows they will capitulate when threatened, their old enemy now has renewed vigour.

So the Spanish people should have ignored their long held desire to get rid of the government of the time and voted in the lot that were in power just as an up yours to terrorists? What a weird and wonderful world you must live in.

And if it was such a clear cut link between the 2, how come there has been no substantial rise in the number of ETA attacks in the years following the Madrid bombings? 2001 was one of their most active years. That is obviously a response to the 2002 bombings. Right? In fact, there was a substantial decline in the period 02-05 when one would have thought they would use this “capitulation” to their advantage.

Unless of course it is pointless to try and draw parallels between differing terrorist groups with vastly different motivation, ideology and method of attack.

[ypauly]

MitchT said:

OH is in holiday in Palma

my OH going there in september!


P.S hope yours is ok

[thehawk]

Silver993tt said:

not a nice situation if you have a holiday booked there this summer.

If you'd have wanted a nice situation you wouldn't book Majorca in the first place

[Eric Mc]

thehawk said:

Silver993tt said:

not a nice situation if you have a holiday booked there this summer.

If you'd have wanted a nice situation you wouldn't book Majorca in the first place

Have you been to Majorca?

[thehawk]

Eric Mc said:

thehawk said:

Silver993tt said:

not a nice situation if you have a holiday booked there this summer.

If you'd have wanted a nice situation you wouldn't book Majorca in the first place

Have you been to Majorca?

Why, going to launch into one of your diatribes are we?

[MitchT]

ypauly said:

MitchT said:

OH is in holiday in Palma

my OH going there in september!


P.S hope yours is ok

I last heard from her at about 21:35 last night (UK time) - she texts me quite a few times every day. She's having a great time and hasn't mentioned the bombs so either she doesn't know or she doesn't want me to worry. I've not mentioned to her that I know about them as I don't want to ruin her time there if she doesn't know, but I'll keep an eye on the situation. She's been on the beach so far since she got there on Friday but was planning to go shopping in Palma today and then spend some time chilling in the square, so I do hope she keeps herself safe.

[Eric Mc]

thehawk said:

Eric Mc said:

thehawk said:

Silver993tt said:

not a nice situation if you have a holiday booked there this summer.

If you'd have wanted a nice situation you wouldn't book Majorca in the first place

Have you been to Majorca?

Why, going to launch into one of your diatribes are we?

Just asking.

[Jasandjules]

thehawk said:

Silver993tt said:

not a nice situation if you have a holiday booked there this summer.

If you'd have wanted a nice situation you wouldn't book Majorca in the first place

It's a very pretty place. Don't get me wrong, it's not the Maldives, but it's fairly cheap and cheerful and there are some very nice areas (basically, where the Brit tourists don't go)..

[Eric Mc]

Porta Polensa








One of the many lovely (and quiet) coves in the north west






The Edwardian tram system still operating between Soller and Port Soller



Majorca ca be a very quiet and charming place to visit. Just keep clear of certain areas.