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offshorematt2 said:
Knobs? Why? They made a mistake. Would you rather they didn't raid houses for drugs?
They've admitted liability, are paying for the damage and making an apology. You may not the biggest fan of the cops but this seems like a genuine mistake. Or am I missing something?
Yes, knobs! Fairly big mistake and how could they not apologise? How can you get that wrong, especially when someone had already told them they had the wrong address beforehand?! Typical polis arrogance. They've admitted liability, are paying for the damage and making an apology. You may not the biggest fan of the cops but this seems like a genuine mistake. Or am I missing something?
Edited by ViperScot on Saturday 15th August 14:31
ViperScot said:
offshorematt2 said:
Knobs? Why? They made a mistake. Would you rather they didn't raid houses for drugs?
They've admitted liability, are paying for the damage and making an apology. You may not the biggest fan of the cops but this seems like a genuine mistake. Or am I missing something?
Yes, knobs! Fairly big mistake and how could they not apologise? How can you get that wrong, especially when someone had already told them they had the wrong address beforehand?! Typical polis arrogance. They've admitted liability, are paying for the damage and making an apology. You may not the biggest fan of the cops but this seems like a genuine mistake. Or am I missing something?
Edited by ViperScot on Saturday 15th August 14:31
The arguement on whether the taxman covers the cost is pretty irrelevant - I don't see posts adding up the positives when the police do their job successfully? The police, whether right or wrong, are paid for out of our pocket. Hopefully you never need to call on them, I guess. Two terms of Labour really have turned everyone against the cops, hasn't it. If you want to blame someone for the police's target-driven behaviour of the last decade look at your elected government - not your unelected front line copper.
Edited by offshorematt2 on Sunday 16th August 01:22
offshorematt2 said:
ViperScot said:
offshorematt2 said:
Knobs? Why? They made a mistake. Would you rather they didn't raid houses for drugs?
They've admitted liability, are paying for the damage and making an apology. You may not the biggest fan of the cops but this seems like a genuine mistake. Or am I missing something?
Yes, knobs! Fairly big mistake and how could they not apologise? How can you get that wrong, especially when someone had already told them they had the wrong address beforehand?! Typical polis arrogance. They've admitted liability, are paying for the damage and making an apology. You may not the biggest fan of the cops but this seems like a genuine mistake. Or am I missing something?
Edited by ViperScot on Saturday 15th August 14:31
The arguement on whether the taxman covers the cost is pretty irrelevant - I don't see posts adding up the positives when the police do their job successfully? The police, whether right or wrong, are paid for out of our pocket. Hopefully you never need to call on them, I guess. Two terms of Labour really have turned everyone against the cops, hasn't it. If you want to blame someone for the police's target-driven behaviour of the last decade look at your elected government - not your unelected front line copper.
Edited by offshorematt2 on Sunday 16th August 01:22
But if you want to take the argument down Conjecture Avenue, I don't believe they should be doing drug raids at all as I think all drugs should be decriminalised, even legalised. It would save our country an awful lot of money and take so much crime off the streets. Given your apparent love of the polis, I think I can guess your views on that...
ViperScot said:
offshorematt2 said:
ViperScot said:
offshorematt2 said:
Knobs? Why? They made a mistake. Would you rather they didn't raid houses for drugs?
They've admitted liability, are paying for the damage and making an apology. You may not the biggest fan of the cops but this seems like a genuine mistake. Or am I missing something?
Yes, knobs! Fairly big mistake and how could they not apologise? How can you get that wrong, especially when someone had already told them they had the wrong address beforehand?! Typical polis arrogance. They've admitted liability, are paying for the damage and making an apology. You may not the biggest fan of the cops but this seems like a genuine mistake. Or am I missing something?
Edited by ViperScot on Saturday 15th August 14:31
The arguement on whether the taxman covers the cost is pretty irrelevant - I don't see posts adding up the positives when the police do their job successfully? The police, whether right or wrong, are paid for out of our pocket. Hopefully you never need to call on them, I guess. Two terms of Labour really have turned everyone against the cops, hasn't it. If you want to blame someone for the police's target-driven behaviour of the last decade look at your elected government - not your unelected front line copper.
Edited by offshorematt2 on Sunday 16th August 01:22
But if you want to take the argument down Conjecture Avenue, I don't believe they should be doing drug raids at all as I think all drugs should be decriminalised, even legalised. It would save our country an awful lot of money and take so much crime off the streets. Given your apparent love of the polis, I think I can guess your views on that...
You may be surprised by my views on decriminalisation but then that would be discussing government policy, not the police. There is no relevance here.
Anyway, lets agree to differ on this one. I don't think we're going to change each others minds.
offshorematt2 said:
ViperScot said:
offshorematt2 said:
ViperScot said:
offshorematt2 said:
Knobs? Why? They made a mistake. Would you rather they didn't raid houses for drugs?
They've admitted liability, are paying for the damage and making an apology. You may not the biggest fan of the cops but this seems like a genuine mistake. Or am I missing something?
Yes, knobs! Fairly big mistake and how could they not apologise? How can you get that wrong, especially when someone had already told them they had the wrong address beforehand?! Typical polis arrogance. They've admitted liability, are paying for the damage and making an apology. You may not the biggest fan of the cops but this seems like a genuine mistake. Or am I missing something?
Edited by ViperScot on Saturday 15th August 14:31
The arguement on whether the taxman covers the cost is pretty irrelevant - I don't see posts adding up the positives when the police do their job successfully? The police, whether right or wrong, are paid for out of our pocket. Hopefully you never need to call on them, I guess. Two terms of Labour really have turned everyone against the cops, hasn't it. If you want to blame someone for the police's target-driven behaviour of the last decade look at your elected government - not your unelected front line copper.
Edited by offshorematt2 on Sunday 16th August 01:22
But if you want to take the argument down Conjecture Avenue, I don't believe they should be doing drug raids at all as I think all drugs should be decriminalised, even legalised. It would save our country an awful lot of money and take so much crime off the streets. Given your apparent love of the polis, I think I can guess your views on that...
You may be surprised by my views on decriminalisation but then that would be discussing government policy, not the police. There is no relevance here.
Anyway, lets agree to differ on this one. I don't think we're going to change each others minds.
The other thing to consider is that the police were acting on "intelligence" I presume, but surely a bit of surveillance prior to busting down the door would have helped
This actually happened to a girl I used to out with. Police broke down her door (acting on info received) while she was at work turned the place upside down lifted carpets & floorboards, Aye they put them back down again. trapping her cat under them. 4 days before cat was found.
They had the wrong address, should have been in the next block of flats.
Chief Cunstubble at the time Ian Oliver, the arrogant tossbag refused to give an apology saying "unfortunately it was the price decent people had pay in the fight against drugs2...
This actually happened to a girl I used to out with. Police broke down her door (acting on info received) while she was at work turned the place upside down lifted carpets & floorboards, Aye they put them back down again. trapping her cat under them. 4 days before cat was found.
They had the wrong address, should have been in the next block of flats.
Chief Cunstubble at the time Ian Oliver, the arrogant tossbag refused to give an apology saying "unfortunately it was the price decent people had pay in the fight against drugs2...
The fight against drugs would be such a total joke if it didn't cost US so much money. The older I get, the more distrusting I get about those charged to 'protect and serve' us (they always seem to forget that motto). Maybe it's cynicism or maybe it's just that the experience of age has enlightened me as to reality...
ViperScot said:
offshorematt2 said:
ViperScot said:
offshorematt2 said:
ViperScot said:
offshorematt2 said:
Knobs? Why? They made a mistake. Would you rather they didn't raid houses for drugs?
They've admitted liability, are paying for the damage and making an apology. You may not the biggest fan of the cops but this seems like a genuine mistake. Or am I missing something?
Yes, knobs! Fairly big mistake and how could they not apologise? How can you get that wrong, especially when someone had already told them they had the wrong address beforehand?! Typical polis arrogance. They've admitted liability, are paying for the damage and making an apology. You may not the biggest fan of the cops but this seems like a genuine mistake. Or am I missing something?
Edited by ViperScot on Saturday 15th August 14:31
The arguement on whether the taxman covers the cost is pretty irrelevant - I don't see posts adding up the positives when the police do their job successfully? The police, whether right or wrong, are paid for out of our pocket. Hopefully you never need to call on them, I guess. Two terms of Labour really have turned everyone against the cops, hasn't it. If you want to blame someone for the police's target-driven behaviour of the last decade look at your elected government - not your unelected front line copper.
Edited by offshorematt2 on Sunday 16th August 01:22
But if you want to take the argument down Conjecture Avenue, I don't believe they should be doing drug raids at all as I think all drugs should be decriminalised, even legalised. It would save our country an awful lot of money and take so much crime off the streets. Given your apparent love of the polis, I think I can guess your views on that...
You may be surprised by my views on decriminalisation but then that would be discussing government policy, not the police. There is no relevance here.
Anyway, lets agree to differ on this one. I don't think we're going to change each others minds.
Sounds to me like they made a genuine mistake.
Complain to the government then, it's not the police's choice to make up our drugs policy as outlined before. They have to enforce what the government makes up.
In this case it's obviously a mistake, it's not like they want these headlines. And as for the person saying it's an old lady then they're not going to believe someone who's there - could be someone as part of the drugs ring trying to throw them off - headline "Police miss drug dealers after believing person on stairs" isn't going to be great either! Fair enough, maybe get someone to stake out the house just before to make sure - but then with police numbers being screwed up by the government is there any spare?!?
And as an aside, have none of us made cock ups in our jobs? Fair enough, with things like this they should be extra careful, but everyone makes mistakes.
In this case it's obviously a mistake, it's not like they want these headlines. And as for the person saying it's an old lady then they're not going to believe someone who's there - could be someone as part of the drugs ring trying to throw them off - headline "Police miss drug dealers after believing person on stairs" isn't going to be great either! Fair enough, maybe get someone to stake out the house just before to make sure - but then with police numbers being screwed up by the government is there any spare?!?
And as an aside, have none of us made cock ups in our jobs? Fair enough, with things like this they should be extra careful, but everyone makes mistakes.
fluffnik said:
Corpulent Tosser said:
By which time the drugs could have been flushed down the toilet, or spirited away from the house.
So f
ing what?The War On Drugs! is nothing but a waste of our money.
If the law is changed and those drugs become legal and the people selling them are paying tax etc then of course their status changes but until then they are criminals and should be treated as such.
jerwatt said:
Complain to the government then, it's not the police's choice to make up our drugs policy as outlined before. They have to enforce what the government makes up.
In this case it's obviously a mistake, it's not like they want these headlines. And as for the person saying it's an old lady then they're not going to believe someone who's there - could be someone as part of the drugs ring trying to throw them off - headline "Police miss drug dealers after believing person on stairs" isn't going to be great either! Fair enough, maybe get someone to stake out the house just before to make sure - but then with police numbers being screwed up by the government is there any spare?!?
And as an aside, have none of us made cock ups in our jobs? Fair enough, with things like this they should be extra careful, but everyone makes mistakes.
There would have been no need to take someone else's info about who was in the house on face value. Just a simple further check to make sure they had the right place. It would have taken a minute. But no, they go in gung-ho. Knowing some folk in Northern and Grampian drugs squads, I'd be worried to let them walk the street unaided. The police (and, indeed, our legal system) are, by and large, a joke.In this case it's obviously a mistake, it's not like they want these headlines. And as for the person saying it's an old lady then they're not going to believe someone who's there - could be someone as part of the drugs ring trying to throw them off - headline "Police miss drug dealers after believing person on stairs" isn't going to be great either! Fair enough, maybe get someone to stake out the house just before to make sure - but then with police numbers being screwed up by the government is there any spare?!?
And as an aside, have none of us made cock ups in our jobs? Fair enough, with things like this they should be extra careful, but everyone makes mistakes.
Corpulent Tosser said:
That is your opinion and of course you are entitled to it, I too am entitled to my opinion and that is that dealers of illegal drugs should be hunted down, prosecuted and imprisoned.
If the law is changed and those drugs become legal and the people selling them are paying tax etc then of course their status changes but until then they are criminals and should be treated as such.
Eeeep. Does that mean you're fine with folk selling drugs as long as it's legal and we can tax them on it?If the law is changed and those drugs become legal and the people selling them are paying tax etc then of course their status changes but until then they are criminals and should be treated as such.
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