Olly's car in EVO
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Well that sends out the right message and will attract the right kind of buyers, not.
Shame they have taken that line, even when TVR is no longer is trading there are still members of the press that continue to talk down TVR's. Whats wrong with taking the (right imho) line they are rare, raw and beautiful classic cars and are an appreciating asset so grab one while you can.
I was going to buy that copy but I won't bother now.
Shame they have taken that line, even when TVR is no longer is trading there are still members of the press that continue to talk down TVR's. Whats wrong with taking the (right imho) line they are rare, raw and beautiful classic cars and are an appreciating asset so grab one while you can.
I was going to buy that copy but I won't bother now.
Yes it is very saddening to see magazines doing writeups that basically make the good old classic super cerbera a cheap ford focus ST alternative 
And yes youngsters are attracted, unfortunately for us, these cars end up being run into the ground or being written off... spoke to an AA chap not too long ago, they pick up a number of TVR's a week now which have been involved in serious crashes... and thats just the AA...
Owners should really boycott the pricing... if every PH owner up'd their prices to 16k+... it should help keep our cars in sensible hands... but unfortunatley the economics dont work that way....
And yes youngsters are attracted, unfortunately for us, these cars end up being run into the ground or being written off... spoke to an AA chap not too long ago, they pick up a number of TVR's a week now which have been involved in serious crashes... and thats just the AA...
Owners should really boycott the pricing... if every PH owner up'd their prices to 16k+... it should help keep our cars in sensible hands... but unfortunatley the economics dont work that way....
Guys i think its a bit unfair of you to suggest that a guy that can "only" afford to spend £10k on a car will love and take care of his car any less than a guy that can afford £16k..by the same arguement a guy with a lambo ect is a much better car owner than a TVR owner...and i dont believe this is the case. I started of with cars that others had scrapped and loved them and built them up. Have you guys seen how much time and effort the young guys spend " maxing" up their cars? Might not to be our taste but i bet they spend more time and certainly more of there income ( proportionaly ) than most TVR owners. Their cars are usually their daily drivers and so spend much more time on the road than a weekend TVR and therfore statisically are more likely to have an accident than a Trevor owner. Come on guys...give the youngsters a break!!!!
Edited by Hunter T on Saturday 15th August 09:01
Hunter T said:
Guys i think its a bit unfair of you to suggest that a guy that can "only" afford to spend £10k on a car will love and take care of his car any less than a guy that can afford £16k..by the same arguement a guy with a lambo ect is a much better car owner than a TVR owner...and i dont believe this is the case. I started of with cars that others had scrapped and loved them and built them up. Have you guys seen how much time and effort the young guys spend " maxing" up their cars? Might not to be our taste but i bet they spend more time and certainly more of there income ( proportionaly ) than most TVR owners. Their cars are usually their daily drivers and so spend much more time on the road than a weekend TVR and therfore statisically are more likely to have an accident than a Trevor owner. Come on guys...give the youngsters a break!!!!
That's not the issue, although I hate the MaxPower brigade, and I saw a lot of them with the 300zx club, I do admire their skills and knowledge.Edited by Hunter T on Saturday 15th August 09:01
But the issue here is that the EVO buyers' guide starts with 'Less than £10,000 will buy you the architypal big muscle TVR coupe', that IMHO is not a good start.
I guess the crux of it is that £10K doesn't seem enough for a rapidly dissapearing unique car. I for one wouldn't put my car on the market for that sort of money, even if it's probabaly only worth that much, given the ragging it gets!
The attrition rate is very high on these cars, be they young or old drivers. So it's not a dig at young owners it's a winge at the fact that people are buying these cars because they're, I'll not use the word cheap, because £10K is still a lot of money, shall we say affordable?
Tim
10k in the present climate IS alot of money and it buys alot of car these days. No Marque is attaining the prices it was say 5 years ago. I agree that TVR should be appretiating in value due to the diminishing numbers avaliable out there, but in turbulent times such as these poeple want power and extreme reliabilty and although TVR can deliver on Power as we all know TVR has got a reputation ( deservingly so or not ) of not being to reliable. Also most TVRs are bought as a second car, and again in these economic times its a luxury that few can afford. Simlar power can be bought in Evos Scobbies ect and have reliabilty built in and can be used as a daily driver. We all know these cars dont have the status or sence of occasion as a TVR but poeple at the moment cant afford the "TVR" experience. Give it a few years and TVRs will again demand the price they deserve, but for now £10 is about as good as it gets.
Edited by Hunter T on Saturday 15th August 09:46
I can see why EVO have done it. A year or two ago people who were willing to spend £15k, £20k, and up on a weekend sports car were in plentiful supply. Now there aren't many people with that spare cash at all, so EVO needs to find cars with similar performance that don't cost much at all.
It IS also possible to buy one of these cars for less than £10k, I know because I did it. So again the buyers guide is accurate in that case. However, personally I always thought of a buyers guide as a guide to getting the most from your money, for that particular model. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but very few Cerbs that are now less than £10k are not either dogs, or cat C/D write offs. Should a buyers guide really be sending its audience in this direction?
Personally I would have like to have seen the overview come out something like, yes you can get one for £10k, but be wary of them being that cheap. Save more and £15k should buy you one that has had all the right love, maintenance and repairs/rebuilds when needed.
It IS also possible to buy one of these cars for less than £10k, I know because I did it. So again the buyers guide is accurate in that case. However, personally I always thought of a buyers guide as a guide to getting the most from your money, for that particular model. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but very few Cerbs that are now less than £10k are not either dogs, or cat C/D write offs. Should a buyers guide really be sending its audience in this direction?
Personally I would have like to have seen the overview come out something like, yes you can get one for £10k, but be wary of them being that cheap. Save more and £15k should buy you one that has had all the right love, maintenance and repairs/rebuilds when needed.
Pistonheads has some 35 Cerbs for sale with only 7 at 10K or below. So it is poss to buy them at under 10K but they tend to be early cars and can be 'well used'. I guess EVO are correct albeit it sounds like a misleading article. As with any car it TENDS to be the case that the more you spend then the later and better the car (but clearly this is a sweeping statement).
I think it's such a shame to see the cars so low in price myself. Thankfully the running costs keeps them in the hands of enthusiasts!
Not all 'youngsters' who buy these cars are bad, I'm only 20. It's not how old you are, it's how much you truly love what you're driving. But I agree, as you get older you tend to get wiser!
Not all 'youngsters' who buy these cars are bad, I'm only 20. It's not how old you are, it's how much you truly love what you're driving. But I agree, as you get older you tend to get wiser!
Hmmmmm, sorry but can't agree with all these types that worry over the value of their cars. It feels a little too much like financial elitism "Ha ha, types like you shouldn't be able to afford cars like mine".
The most outstanding characteristic that I've discovered and loved about TVR owners is their willingness (reluctantly or not) to ' have a go'. I love the way they search to change the vehicles in some small or big way to make it more personal. This characteritic seems to be spreading, quite widely, amongst younger car owners and I welcome it.
I bumped into an old friend recently and we started talking about cars and when I 'went off' about the Tiv he started talking 'residuals' and stating that I had greater liquidity than him.
I immediately realised that we were no longer friends. The world, and our reactions to changing environments, had sent us in completely different directions.
I still remember taking the bus whilst reading through the 'Sports Car' pages of the Thames Valley Trader thinking "Yes, it might be physically possible, one day".
Bottom line: unless you're (a capatalist b
d) worried about losing money on your investment then second-hand values don't matter coz you'll be keeping it anyway.
:/rant:
P.S. .... and as we all know, it's not buying a superb car that's expensive. It's maintaining it and extortionate insurance premiums will always keep young people away anyway.
The most outstanding characteristic that I've discovered and loved about TVR owners is their willingness (reluctantly or not) to ' have a go'. I love the way they search to change the vehicles in some small or big way to make it more personal. This characteritic seems to be spreading, quite widely, amongst younger car owners and I welcome it.
I bumped into an old friend recently and we started talking about cars and when I 'went off' about the Tiv he started talking 'residuals' and stating that I had greater liquidity than him.
I immediately realised that we were no longer friends. The world, and our reactions to changing environments, had sent us in completely different directions.
I still remember taking the bus whilst reading through the 'Sports Car' pages of the Thames Valley Trader thinking "Yes, it might be physically possible, one day".
Bottom line: unless you're (a capatalist b
d) worried about losing money on your investment then second-hand values don't matter coz you'll be keeping it anyway.:/rant:
P.S. .... and as we all know, it's not buying a superb car that's expensive. It's maintaining it and extortionate insurance premiums will always keep young people away anyway.
I purchased my Cerbera for around £10k a few months ago, I was looking at Chimaeras but have always hankered after another Cerb. I knew I was taking a risk at £10K but I thought even if I bought a £20k cerb I could still be buying a lot of trouble.
I'm glad the prices went the right way allowing me to purchase (I'll be even more pleased if they went up now).
I am of the opinion chavs are very unlikey to purchase a cerb, I have been told they are old man's cars by a friends son who is into VTR's, Type R's and Evo etc... So I wouldn't fear the chav purchasing cerbs, I don't think it's going to happen.
I'm glad the prices went the right way allowing me to purchase (I'll be even more pleased if they went up now).
I am of the opinion chavs are very unlikey to purchase a cerb, I have been told they are old man's cars by a friends son who is into VTR's, Type R's and Evo etc... So I wouldn't fear the chav purchasing cerbs, I don't think it's going to happen.
Mr.Cerbera said:
Hmmmmm, sorry but can't agree with all these types that worry over the value of their cars. It feels a little too much like financial elitism "Ha ha, types like you shouldn't be able to afford cars like mine".
The most outstanding characteristic that I've discovered and loved about TVR owners is their willingness (reluctantly or not) to ' have a go'. I love the way they search to change the vehicles in some small or big way to make it more personal. This characteritic seems to be spreading, quite widely, amongst younger car owners and I welcome it.
I bumped into an old friend recently and we started talking about cars and when I 'went off' about the Tiv he started talking 'residuals' and stating that I had greater liquidity than him.
I immediately realised that we were no longer friends. The world, and our reactions to changing environments, had sent us in completely different directions.
I still remember taking the bus whilst reading through the 'Sports Car' pages of the Thames Valley Trader thinking "Yes, it might be physically possible, one day".
Bottom line: unless you're (a capatalist bd) worried about losing money on your investment then second-hand values don't matter coz you'll be keeping it anyway.
:/rant:
P.S. .... and as we all know, it's not buying a superb car that's expensive. It's maintaining it and extortionate insurance premiums will always keep young people away anyway.
Some good points, but I think that the general opinion is that as the cars value decreases to such lows, it brings it down to a different market, which lets face it, will potentially mean more crashes/deaths and outright scraps if no-ones willing to pay for its-upkeep, also knock-on effect is that the insurance for these cars will probably shoot through the roof aka Skyline GTS/GTR's...The most outstanding characteristic that I've discovered and loved about TVR owners is their willingness (reluctantly or not) to ' have a go'. I love the way they search to change the vehicles in some small or big way to make it more personal. This characteritic seems to be spreading, quite widely, amongst younger car owners and I welcome it.
I bumped into an old friend recently and we started talking about cars and when I 'went off' about the Tiv he started talking 'residuals' and stating that I had greater liquidity than him.
I immediately realised that we were no longer friends. The world, and our reactions to changing environments, had sent us in completely different directions.
I still remember taking the bus whilst reading through the 'Sports Car' pages of the Thames Valley Trader thinking "Yes, it might be physically possible, one day".
Bottom line: unless you're (a capatalist b
d) worried about losing money on your investment then second-hand values don't matter coz you'll be keeping it anyway.:/rant:
P.S. .... and as we all know, it's not buying a superb car that's expensive. It's maintaining it and extortionate insurance premiums will always keep young people away anyway.
I dont know if any of you remember the old Times article back when Wheeler was running the TVR show, the review called the TVR Cerbera a 'poor mans porsche'... that I always hated, completely different cars and completely different agendas... but the general untrained public are educated by the media... and thus, an article stating supercar for less than 10k is demoralising a Cerbera to similar levels such as jap-rockets... but hey, its only a matter of time... Ferrari 360's are around 30-40k now soooo......
and anyway a few of the owners on here have daily cars which are 3-4 times the cost of a currently priced cerbie, so I dont think its about 'elitism' at all...
but I have always said its a cheap supercar held together with glue... but thats another story
Byker28i said:
Ok - so ignoring the write up - how did the photo's come out? Does Olly's car look great?
In a word Yes.Never meant this to turn into a huge debate, tell you what - go buy the magazine and draw your own conclusions, anyone heard of the specialist they consulted about the article: Paul Glynn of Prestige Performance Cars? I hadn't.
Tim
Yes, Paul has his company in melton.
He also supported the article in ppc magazine when it was the cerbera for 9k.
He put my engine back in after it was rebuilt by jason clegg.
He has been involved with tvrs for years,he used to be the service manager at TMS for 10 years.
I just wish cerbs were as cheap to run as they are to buy!!!
I would have certainly been better off!
He also supported the article in ppc magazine when it was the cerbera for 9k.
He put my engine back in after it was rebuilt by jason clegg.
He has been involved with tvrs for years,he used to be the service manager at TMS for 10 years.
I just wish cerbs were as cheap to run as they are to buy!!!
I would have certainly been better off!
Olly - your car looks great in the photo's
The EVO article: having just read it AFTER reading the previous comments on this forum, I was expecting it to be very one sided. To be fair, the article is pretty damn clear that you need to buy a good one, to go into Cerb ownership with your eye's open (as well as your wallet, advising spending £2-3k per year), some warnings about chassis rot, clutch, electrics...... and that prices range from below £10k to over £20K.......... and to buy the best you can.
Prices now reflect the fact that the early cars are now 13 years old, that there is a massive range of condition out there, and that the people buying them should realy set aside a large lump sum to get the car back to a decent standard or to prepare for the inevitable large bill. This "contingency" factor has to have an effect on the purchase price people are willing to pay.
You buy at the bottom of the price range with extreme caution - and try to do as much homework as possible. If lucky / dillegent - then yes there are some bargains to be had, as mentioned in the article.
Having said that, if the car is in excellent condition with a bulging file of receipts from reputable TVR garages / independents, that the owner seems to know what he / she is talking about (and takes care of the car, e.g. warm up procedure, garaged where possible, money spend as and when needed or even on additional stuff) and is in a "desireable" spec / colour combination, had some sensible upgrades (e.g. replaced shocks, better headlights, more durable replacement kit) - then the discerning buyer should be prepared to pay a premium for it?
Classic case of "you pay's yer money, you takes yer choice"
The EVO article: having just read it AFTER reading the previous comments on this forum, I was expecting it to be very one sided. To be fair, the article is pretty damn clear that you need to buy a good one, to go into Cerb ownership with your eye's open (as well as your wallet, advising spending £2-3k per year), some warnings about chassis rot, clutch, electrics...... and that prices range from below £10k to over £20K.......... and to buy the best you can.
Prices now reflect the fact that the early cars are now 13 years old, that there is a massive range of condition out there, and that the people buying them should realy set aside a large lump sum to get the car back to a decent standard or to prepare for the inevitable large bill. This "contingency" factor has to have an effect on the purchase price people are willing to pay.
You buy at the bottom of the price range with extreme caution - and try to do as much homework as possible. If lucky / dillegent - then yes there are some bargains to be had, as mentioned in the article.
Having said that, if the car is in excellent condition with a bulging file of receipts from reputable TVR garages / independents, that the owner seems to know what he / she is talking about (and takes care of the car, e.g. warm up procedure, garaged where possible, money spend as and when needed or even on additional stuff) and is in a "desireable" spec / colour combination, had some sensible upgrades (e.g. replaced shocks, better headlights, more durable replacement kit) - then the discerning buyer should be prepared to pay a premium for it?
Classic case of "you pay's yer money, you takes yer choice"
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