Anyone want some wheat?
Poll: Anyone want some wheat?
Total Members Polled: 70
Discussion
We've currently got several thousand tons of wheat that's cost £130/ton to produce (with all subsidies taken into account) and were currently being paid ~£70-80/ton.
So does anyone want some at 13p a kilo to make flour with?
And y other question is this, are there any other industries that suffer from the price being lower than the cost to produce for long periods of time?
So does anyone
So does anyone want some at 13p a kilo to make flour with?
And y other question is this, are there any other industries that suffer from the price being lower than the cost to produce for long periods of time?
So does anyone
That's pretty s
t.
Is it because the cost of production has gone up, or your clients are paying less??
How long has it been like this? And how long can you last until you think fk it - why bother?
When you say it's been like that for sustained periods of time - how long is this?
How much land do you have producing wheat and how many tons per harvest does this produce??
I really find it amazing you can still work like that - keep up the good work.
Cheers
The Moose
t.Is it because the cost of production has gone up, or your clients are paying less??
How long has it been like this? And how long can you last until you think f
k it - why bother?When you say it's been like that for sustained periods of time - how long is this?
How much land do you have producing wheat and how many tons per harvest does this produce??
I really find it amazing you can still work like that - keep up the good work.
Cheers
The Moose
I know i'm in a totally different industry (IT prof services), but our management work on roughly a 4x cost to charge ratio. So, they charge me out at £1200 a day, and pay (roughly) £300 a day in staff costs and expenses.
Obviously they have other running costs, but they are taken care of by the actual product profits, Prof services is a seperate cost center with P/L etc
Obviously they have other running costs, but they are taken care of by the actual product profits, Prof services is a seperate cost center with P/L etc
Fittster said:
So supply is greater than demand. Seems like a problem the market can solve.
I was always of the impression that when this happens, next year all the farmers stop producing and live off the EU grants, thus boosting the value of the produce. Is this not the case?(Very simplified, obviously)
is the shortfall covered by subsidies at all?
i work in manufacturing in an industry where prices have taken an absolute beating over the last year - down 50% in most markets and sales also down 40-60% across the board. we gauge a product on contribution per hour [selling price - labour, materials & overhead, but not fixed costs].
at the moment, we aren't covering costs. the figures involved are staggering, hence '000s of job losses.
i work in manufacturing in an industry where prices have taken an absolute beating over the last year - down 50% in most markets and sales also down 40-60% across the board. we gauge a product on contribution per hour [selling price - labour, materials & overhead, but not fixed costs].
at the moment, we aren't covering costs. the figures involved are staggering, hence '000s of job losses.
Plotloss said:
Subsidies have largely cocked British Agriculture.
Not just GB, the whole of EU agriculture. The local german farmers are getting around 20cts a litre for milk (paid 3 months after they delivered it) from the large dairies, and it costs them around 42cts to produce... I can see a lot of farmers going down the drain here.....Justayellowbadge said:
Westy Pre-Lit said:
Am a bit off a knumbskull when it comes to things like this, but how has it been allowed to got to a point that it's more expensive to produce than what the product is sold for ?
www.tesco.comk off and just burn the crops instead. The problem is farmers in the UK just sit there and take it. They should learn a thing or two from their French brethren.This is a bit left of centre, but what about contacting a working mill somewhere (a traditional one) and see if they want to buy some for either their demonstrations or to make flour of a bespoke arty nature that will sell for a shocking amount of money?
Pacakge it up in some poncey packaging (ground) perhaps?
Pacakge it up in some poncey packaging (ground) perhaps?
plasticpig said:
Justayellowbadge said:
Westy Pre-Lit said:
Am a bit off a knumbskull when it comes to things like this, but how has it been allowed to got to a point that it's more expensive to produce than what the product is sold for ?
www.tesco.comk off and just burn the crops instead. The problem is farmers in the UK just sit there and take it. They should learn a thing or two from their French brethren.If they choose to compete then that means they have no choice but to supply the supermarkets.
If they formed a cartel which price fixed, they'd fall foul of EU anti-competition laws.
Make no mistake that supermarkets are now too big and too powerful by any reasonable measure. Tesco especially.
JMGS4 said:
Plotloss said:
Subsidies have largely cocked British Agriculture.
Not just GB, the whole of EU agriculture. The local german farmers are getting around 20cts a litre for milk (paid 3 months after they delivered it) from the large dairies, and it costs them around 42cts to produce... I can see a lot of farmers going down the drain here.....So why the Subsidies.
In any other industry it costs 'a' to produce and 'b' to sell, 'a' being lower than 'b'. You can't sell a product for less than you produce it for. Thats basic ecomonics.
If no subsidies where given everybody would have to tell Mr Tesco to fk right off and pay the going rate. Nowbody can survive selling less than the cost price, it doesn't make sense.
Or am I missing something here ? the only thing I can see is imported food buggering up the system.
In any other industry it costs 'a' to produce and 'b' to sell, 'a' being lower than 'b'. You can't sell a product for less than you produce it for. Thats basic ecomonics.
If no subsidies where given everybody would have to tell Mr Tesco to f
k right off and pay the going rate. Nowbody can survive selling less than the cost price, it doesn't make sense. Or am I missing something here ? the only thing I can see is imported food buggering up the system.
Edited by Westy Pre-Lit on Monday 17th August 14:31
The Moose said:
That's pretty st.
Is it because the cost of production has gone up, or your clients are paying less??
Both really nitrogen went through the roof and there's a huge stockpile from previous years
How long has it been like this? And how long can you last until you think fk it - why bother?
8 out of the past 10 years, farming is my passion I don't think I'll ever pack it in unless I go bankrupt
When you say it's been like that for sustained periods of time - how long is this?
years, it's the same for almost every farmer
How much land do you have producing wheat and how many tons per harvest does this produce??
Currently 5000 acres at 5.5 tons to the acre so 27,500 tons
I really find it amazing you can still work like that - keep up the good work.
thanks:-)
Cheers
The Moose
My answers in bold, I'm on my iPhone so I've not been as detailed as I like, it's bloody hard combining and writing an essay t.Is it because the cost of production has gone up, or your clients are paying less??
Both really nitrogen went through the roof and there's a huge stockpile from previous years
How long has it been like this? And how long can you last until you think f
k it - why bother?8 out of the past 10 years, farming is my passion I don't think I'll ever pack it in unless I go bankrupt
When you say it's been like that for sustained periods of time - how long is this?
years, it's the same for almost every farmer
How much land do you have producing wheat and how many tons per harvest does this produce??
Currently 5000 acres at 5.5 tons to the acre so 27,500 tons
I really find it amazing you can still work like that - keep up the good work.
thanks:-)
Cheers
The Moose
I really feel for you. We just harvested 50 acres or so of Spring Barley. After all costs were taken into account, we made the staggering profit of.....£278. So just over £5 an acre. Seriously, why bother? We're lucky in the sense that farming isn't our main source of income - if it were, I just don't see how we could possibly survive.
Good luck!
Good luck!
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