Vet prescriptions
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SPR2

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3,215 posts

219 months

Monday 17th August 2009
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Is there a standard fee for these - so you are then able to get them yourself online? Surely those pets who have long term need for pills etc it has got to be cheaper this way.
Obviously profit from practice medication sales must go back for support needed in other areas of the practice.

Deva Link

26,934 posts

268 months

Monday 17th August 2009
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We use this outfit for some stuff http://www.365vet.co.uk/acatalog/index.html

They're actually quite near us but have only dealt with them online. Did need to phone them once and they were quite rude!

Pobolycwm

329 posts

203 months

Tuesday 18th August 2009
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When you pay for a consultation and the vet gives a prescription you don`t have to buy medication from the vet, you`re also paying for the prescription and it`s yours

You can use the prescription to legally buy cheaper medication elsewhere , eg the internet from a reputable supplier, they`ll want to see a scan / copy of the prescription to make sure it`s bona fide and cover themselves

In practice vets can make this quite difficult by passing the prescription directly to the on site pharmacy, you pay for consultation and medication at the same time then pick up your medication

Mark up on animal drugs about x3 / x4 so can make financial sense to buy elsewhere, depends if you want a good relationship with your vet, they have to make their money as well

SPR2

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3,215 posts

219 months

Tuesday 18th August 2009
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Mark up on animal drugs about x3 / x4 so can make financial sense to buy elsewhere, depends if you want a good relationship with your vet, they have to make their money as well
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I totaly agree a good relationship with your vet goes a long way and I do prefer to use my local vet for drugs when needed. I just wondered how many people used online for pet drugs after reading an article in the paper about this earlier in the week.

Wildsea

1,855 posts

233 months

Tuesday 18th August 2009
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SPR2 said:
Mark up on animal drugs about x3 / x4 so can make financial sense to buy elsewhere, depends if you want a good relationship with your vet, they have to make their money as well
I totaly agree a good relationship with your vet goes a long way and I do prefer to use my local vet for drugs when needed. I just wondered how many people used online for pet drugs after reading an article in the paper about this earlier in the week.
I always get mine through my vet, as my dog is on so much of the stuff at the moment it makes my life so much easier. Plus my insurance covers it all anyway.

Simpo Two

91,401 posts

288 months

Tuesday 18th August 2009
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Deva Link said:
We use this outfit for some stuff http://www.365vet.co.uk/acatalog/index.html
They don't seem to do insulin...

Jasandjules

72,008 posts

252 months

Tuesday 18th August 2009
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SPR2 said:
Is there a standard fee for these - so you are then able to get them yourself online? Surely those pets who have long term need for pills etc it has got to be cheaper this way.
Obviously profit from practice medication sales must go back for support needed in other areas of the practice.
We just get our vet to write a prescription, they don't charge for it?!?!?

But then the amount of "work" we put our vets way, I am awaiting the building of our own private consultation room........

Thevet

1,833 posts

256 months

Tuesday 18th August 2009
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You are perfectly entitled to get a prescription from your vet after an examination to ascertain the problem and its treatment, which by law now has to be repeated after 6 months for us to issue another prescription. It causes us no end of problems having to insist that clients bring their pets back to us for reexamination whether or not they obtain their drugs from us, but it's just us having to fulfil our legal obligations. My practice does not in my opinion overcharge for medicines, typically we add 50% to the list price and so we obviously do make money from the sales, perhaps that's acceptable for having to keep over £60k of drugs in the surgery in the correct storage conditions, any of our clients can get their prescriptions immediately after their consultation, rather than having to pay an anonymous internet shop, they can get them during the night or at the weekend if necessary. Thankfully most of my clients do get their prescriptions from us, and this does help towards the costs of running a modern surgery. If more people want to get their medicines online then you will find that you will be paying "solicitor" type fees for our services. Some vets will charge significantly more than others, we have just invested just over £1m in a new surgery, but have not increased our charges to compensate, this would probably have to change if our drug sales fell significantly. If you feel your vet is charging too much, don't feel you cant ask for a prescription, but don't expect them not to charge an appropriate fee for their services.

cptsideways

13,832 posts

275 months

Tuesday 18th August 2009
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Just so long as I can sell you your next car wink


We have a dog with Addisons Disease & its quite a pain doing a bi-monthly trip to the vet to get the Florinef prescription & then we get charged lots for the drugs of course. The fact is the dog will need the drugs for the rest of her life so being over charged every time gets a bit much!!

The price of drugs from European vets on the whole is a lot less, they seem to manage their overheads & work on a leaner system alltogether.

becksW

14,690 posts

234 months

Wednesday 19th August 2009
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To start with we weren't allowed to charge for prescriptions but now I think vets can charge between £10-£15 per prescription. In some cases pets will need checking as often as every 3 months.

Just to note, we can't always buy in the drugs for the price that they are sold on line, they must get some mega discounts in the first place to sell them for the price they do.

randlemarcus

13,646 posts

254 months

Wednesday 19th August 2009
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becksW said:
To start with we weren't allowed to charge for prescriptions but now I think vets can charge between £10-£15 per prescription. In some cases pets will need checking as often as every 3 months.

Just to note, we can't always buy in the drugs for the price that they are sold on line, they must get some mega discounts in the first place to sell them for the price they do.
Not being funny, but the bit in bold, above? Erm, yes you can wink (unless you are tied to particular suppliers)

becksW

14,690 posts

234 months

Wednesday 19th August 2009
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randlemarcus said:
becksW said:
To start with we weren't allowed to charge for prescriptions but now I think vets can charge between £10-£15 per prescription. In some cases pets will need checking as often as every 3 months.

Just to note, we can't always buy in the drugs for the price that they are sold on line, they must get some mega discounts in the first place to sell them for the price they do.
Not being funny, but the bit in bold, above? Erm, yes you can wink (unless you are tied to particular suppliers)
Tied to a particular wholesalers. Can't just chop and change and we don't have the room for the sort of stock levels that could earn us the sort of discounts the online sites have. They can sell a 180ml bottle of metacam for less than we can buy in 100ml Metacam

randlemarcus

13,646 posts

254 months

Wednesday 19th August 2009
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becksW said:
randlemarcus said:
becksW said:
To start with we weren't allowed to charge for prescriptions but now I think vets can charge between £10-£15 per prescription. In some cases pets will need checking as often as every 3 months.

Just to note, we can't always buy in the drugs for the price that they are sold on line, they must get some mega discounts in the first place to sell them for the price they do.
Not being funny, but the bit in bold, above? Erm, yes you can wink (unless you are tied to particular suppliers)
Tied to a particular wholesalers. Can't just chop and change and we don't have the room for the sort of stock levels that could earn us the sort of discounts the online sites have. They can sell a 180ml bottle of metacam for less than we can buy in 100ml Metacam
Fair enough on the tied to a wholesalers, but that would be an interesting conversation come contract renewal... "And precisely why should I buy my Metacam from you?"

Dibble

13,257 posts

263 months

Wednesday 19th August 2009
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I get the prescriptions from the vet - about £30 - and then buy Rimadyl online from VioVet. Even with the cost of the prescription it works out about 2/3 of the cost of getting Rimadyl from my own vet.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

278 months

Wednesday 19th August 2009
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Deva Link said:
We use this outfit for some stuff http://www.365vet.co.uk/acatalog/index.html

They're actually quite near us but have only dealt with them online. Did need to phone them once and they were quite rude!
Go on, how rude...?

Thevet

1,833 posts

256 months

Wednesday 19th August 2009
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randlemarcus said:
becksW said:
To start with we weren't allowed to charge for prescriptions but now I think vets can charge between £10-£15 per prescription. In some cases pets will need checking as often as every 3 months.

Just to note, we can't always buy in the drugs for the price that they are sold on line, they must get some mega discounts in the first place to sell them for the price they do.
Not being funny, but the bit in bold, above? Erm, yes you can wink (unless you are tied to particular suppliers)
OK sl speculation here, metacam has no generic competition so the price should be set by the manufacturer, but drugs such as florinef have generic counterparts and are just about produced/sold at cost. I should know our price for florinef, but unfortunately don't. So it may be difficult for us as vets to say we should only charge a 10% mark up on cost seeing as we have to by law offer a 24-7 service to all the cost conscious prats out there, unlike the online pharmacies who shut up shop at 5 or 4 on a friday. However, you are only required to be reexamined by your vet every 6months for a simplpe repeat prescription, its the law, and has to be followed. If you feel your vet is overcharging, say and move if you dont like the reply, but stop suggesting that subsidising your costs with the drug mark-ups costs you more in the long run. If you knew how hard it is to get staff to work out of hours and then to get the general public like the plaintiffs here to pay for the "honour" of having attended to their pets or stock at any time of day or night, you would probably take a different view. How I wish I could get some of the whingers I have on my books, to take control of either credit control or profitability.....the typical british bod with a guaranteed job has little idea of how difficult it is to actually provide a job for someone let alone actually treat their pet with medicines......AARGH if you want to complain so much, please try it from this side of the fence, you would soon be silent

randlemarcus

13,646 posts

254 months

Wednesday 19th August 2009
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Dont get me wrong, I'm not having a dig at you, or your charges. I was simply pointing out that she could in fact buy the drugs, from the online sorts, and resell them.
Nobody, I feel would deny you a margin for what appears to be a significant extra overhead in staffing and stocking, but deliberately buying stock more expensively than you can source it for doesnt strike me as sensible, unless you get sale or return terms...