Abraham Lincoln Quote - Some Friday Fundamentals
Discussion
I believe I posted this before, not sure. Good stuff to keep in front of people IMO:
"You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.
You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.
You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.
You cannot build character and courage by taking away people's initiative and independence..
You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves."
- Abraham Lincoln
"You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.
You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.
You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.
You cannot build character and courage by taking away people's initiative and independence..
You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves."
- Abraham Lincoln
Edited by Jimbeaux on Friday 11th September 16:31
Edited by Jimbeaux on Friday 11th September 16:32
I'm surprised at a good southern boy quoting a damned yankee.
ETA: and to even the score here's a quote from him that hasn't stood the test of time quite so well:
"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races - that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume III, "Fourth Debate with Stephen A. Douglas at Charleston, Illinois" (September 18, 1858), pp. 145-146.
ETA: and to even the score here's a quote from him that hasn't stood the test of time quite so well:
"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races - that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume III, "Fourth Debate with Stephen A. Douglas at Charleston, Illinois" (September 18, 1858), pp. 145-146.
Edited by OnTheOverrun on Friday 11th September 16:48
OnTheOverrun said:
I'm surprised at a good southern boy quoting a damned yankee.
What is more surprising is that the entitlement society, namely Obama, have been comparing themselves to Lincoln from the start. Funny and ironic. He may be a Yankee, but at least Lincoln was a Republican. 
Jimbeaux said:
OnTheOverrun said:
I'm surprised at a good southern boy quoting a damned yankee.
What is more surprising is that the entitlement society, namely Obama, have been comparing themselves to Lincoln from the start. Funny and ironic. He may have been be a Yankee, but at least Lincoln was a Republican.
Edited by Jimbeaux on Friday 11th September 16:56
Jimbeaux said:
Jimbeaux said:
OnTheOverrun said:
I'm surprised at a good southern boy quoting a damned yankee.
What is more surprising is that the entitlement society, namely Obama, have been comparing themselves to Lincoln from the start. Funny and ironic. He may have been be a Yankee, but at least Lincoln was a Republican.
Tis a rant from a singleminded man.
The words are framed, not to explain, but give the impression it is all self explanatory when it isn't.
Its the sort of speech you would hear in a religious organisation, or you would stand on a soapbox and yell at the masses.
Probably made his followers jump up and down and clap, but anyone else would just be scratching their head to the ambiguity of his words.
The words are framed, not to explain, but give the impression it is all self explanatory when it isn't.
Its the sort of speech you would hear in a religious organisation, or you would stand on a soapbox and yell at the masses.
Probably made his followers jump up and down and clap, but anyone else would just be scratching their head to the ambiguity of his words.
Jimbeaux said:
He may be a Yankee, but at least Lincoln was a Republican.
You say the word 'Republican' like it's a good thing. In England it's primarily associated with those god awful people who think a different has-been politician every four years could do a better job than HM the Q, or Irish terrorists. 
OnTheOverrun said:
I'm surprised at a good southern boy quoting a damned yankee.
ETA: and to even the score here's a quote from him that hasn't stood the test of time quite so well:
"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races - that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume III, "Fourth Debate with Stephen A. Douglas at Charleston, Illinois" (September 18, 1858), pp. 145-146.
Furthers the irony that he is the black man's savior, a Yankee, etc. ETA: and to even the score here's a quote from him that hasn't stood the test of time quite so well:
"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races - that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume III, "Fourth Debate with Stephen A. Douglas at Charleston, Illinois" (September 18, 1858), pp. 145-146.
Edited by OnTheOverrun on Friday 11th September 16:48
Jimbeaux said:
OnTheOverrun said:
I'm surprised at a good southern boy quoting a damned yankee.
ETA: and to even the score here's a quote from him that hasn't stood the test of time quite so well:
"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races - that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume III, "Fourth Debate with Stephen A. Douglas at Charleston, Illinois" (September 18, 1858), pp. 145-146.
Furthers the irony that he is the black man's savior, a Yankee, etc. ETA: and to even the score here's a quote from him that hasn't stood the test of time quite so well:
"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races - that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume III, "Fourth Debate with Stephen A. Douglas at Charleston, Illinois" (September 18, 1858), pp. 145-146.
Edited by OnTheOverrun on Friday 11th September 16:48
OnTheOverrun said:
Jimbeaux said:
He may be a Yankee, but at least Lincoln was a Republican.
You say the word 'Republican' like it's a good thing. In England it's primarily associated with those god awful people who think a different has-been politician every four years could do a better job than HM the Q, or Irish terrorists. Irish terrorists? Edited by Jimbeaux on Friday 11th September 16:59
OnTheOverrun said:
Jimbeaux said:
OnTheOverrun said:
I'm surprised at a good southern boy quoting a damned yankee.
ETA: and to even the score here's a quote from him that hasn't stood the test of time quite so well:
"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races - that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume III, "Fourth Debate with Stephen A. Douglas at Charleston, Illinois" (September 18, 1858), pp. 145-146.
Furthers the irony that he is the black man's savior, a Yankee, etc. ETA: and to even the score here's a quote from him that hasn't stood the test of time quite so well:
"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races - that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume III, "Fourth Debate with Stephen A. Douglas at Charleston, Illinois" (September 18, 1858), pp. 145-146.
Edited by OnTheOverrun on Friday 11th September 16:48
Never understood the fascination that the Yanks have with Lincoln. He entered into a bloody civil war in order to preserve the 'Union' (a union held together by force cannot be much of a union) and to deny the Southern people's right to self-determination. Slavery was never the main issue.
Edited by Ayahuasca on Friday 11th September 17:07
Jimbeaux said:
OnTheOverrun said:
Jimbeaux said:
OnTheOverrun said:
I'm surprised at a good southern boy quoting a damned yankee.
ETA: and to even the score here's a quote from him that hasn't stood the test of time quite so well:
"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races - that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume III, "Fourth Debate with Stephen A. Douglas at Charleston, Illinois" (September 18, 1858), pp. 145-146.
Furthers the irony that he is the black man's savior, a Yankee, etc. ETA: and to even the score here's a quote from him that hasn't stood the test of time quite so well:
"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races - that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume III, "Fourth Debate with Stephen A. Douglas at Charleston, Illinois" (September 18, 1858), pp. 145-146.
Edited by OnTheOverrun on Friday 11th September 16:48
I don't need educating on the racial mix of your party, I was merely musing on how many of your party are currently wishing a particular 'negro' was not allowed to hold a particular high office.
Jimbeaux said:
OnTheOverrun said:
Jimbeaux said:
He may be a Yankee, but at least Lincoln was a Republican.
You say the word 'Republican' like it's a good thing. In England it's primarily associated with those god awful people who think a different has-been politician every four years could do a better job than HM the Q, or Irish terrorists. Irish terrorists? Edited by Jimbeaux on Friday 11th September 16:59
Ayahuasca said:
Never understood the fascination that the Yanks have with Lincoln. He entered into a bloody civil war in order to preserve the 'Union' (a union held together by force cannot be much of a union) and to deny the Southern people's right to self-determination. Slavery was never the main issue.
True, the issue was really down to the economy, an industrial or agricultural one. National policy was not evolved enough to support both then.Edited by Ayahuasca on Friday 11th September 17:07
OnTheOverrun said:
Jimbeaux said:
OnTheOverrun said:
Jimbeaux said:
OnTheOverrun said:
I'm surprised at a good southern boy quoting a damned yankee.
ETA: and to even the score here's a quote from him that hasn't stood the test of time quite so well:
"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races - that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume III, "Fourth Debate with Stephen A. Douglas at Charleston, Illinois" (September 18, 1858), pp. 145-146.
Furthers the irony that he is the black man's savior, a Yankee, etc. ETA: and to even the score here's a quote from him that hasn't stood the test of time quite so well:
"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races - that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume III, "Fourth Debate with Stephen A. Douglas at Charleston, Illinois" (September 18, 1858), pp. 145-146.
Edited by OnTheOverrun on Friday 11th September 16:48
I don't need educating on the racial mix of your party, I was merely musing on how many of your party are currently wishing a particular 'negro' was not allowed to hold a particular high office.
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