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Had a look through the old posts but not found a definitive answer on this.
Currently calculating the costs of getting a track day toy, most likely an Mx5 or a stripped Bmw 325 (e30/e36) weighting about 1000kg. One of the biggest costs appears to be tyres however some people claim that a set of tyres lasts them 8 or so outings and others just the one.
Realise there are a bunch of variables here ranging for car weight, driving style, number of laps and surface but was wondering what people were seeing on cars similar to the above.
I am currently assuming a set of tyres will last about 2 sessions (300 track miles). Does this feel fair?
Currently calculating the costs of getting a track day toy, most likely an Mx5 or a stripped Bmw 325 (e30/e36) weighting about 1000kg. One of the biggest costs appears to be tyres however some people claim that a set of tyres lasts them 8 or so outings and others just the one.
Realise there are a bunch of variables here ranging for car weight, driving style, number of laps and surface but was wondering what people were seeing on cars similar to the above.
I am currently assuming a set of tyres will last about 2 sessions (300 track miles). Does this feel fair?
well i managed to do this to my f1's after 20 mins at silverstone.
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb89/matt_webb/...
and they were only 6 months old.
although im hoping they will have enough life left in them for an evening session at castle combe, before i get some new rubber for the winter.
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb89/matt_webb/...
and they were only 6 months old.
although im hoping they will have enough life left in them for an evening session at castle combe, before i get some new rubber for the winter.
I think a lot depends on the specific car and your driving style.
I've just changed the car I use for sprints from a clio 172 to an integra, both cars are similar weight, similar power, fwd, both running 195/50/15 Yokohama parada's
The clio seam to destroy the front tyres, I got round 3500-4000 miles and 3 or 4 sprints on of a set which bearing in mind the sprint were only 10 laps worth of running on a short track like Lydden wasn't a lot.
Only done 1 sprint in the Integra but they tyres didn't look like anywhere near as bad as they used to on the clio.
I've just changed the car I use for sprints from a clio 172 to an integra, both cars are similar weight, similar power, fwd, both running 195/50/15 Yokohama parada's
The clio seam to destroy the front tyres, I got round 3500-4000 miles and 3 or 4 sprints on of a set which bearing in mind the sprint were only 10 laps worth of running on a short track like Lydden wasn't a lot.
Only done 1 sprint in the Integra but they tyres didn't look like anywhere near as bad as they used to on the clio.
There are too many variables to give a definitive estimate as to tyre life.
FWD will wear differently to RWD, wrong set-up, pressures and driving style will all make a difference.
If you're running 15's, like Andy^^ (mine also) I have Parada Spec 2's. Was pretty impressed as they gave good grip and let go progressively. Saying that its also FWD, and may not work so well on RWD.
Can I ask why RWD?
I had my first FWD trackday and kept up (and went past) with MX5's, Bimmers, Tivs and the likes and was laughing like a drain. Sure those purists say RWD is the true drivers car, but set up properly a FWD can be equally as rewarding and pool of suitable cars is much bigger.
FWD will wear differently to RWD, wrong set-up, pressures and driving style will all make a difference.
If you're running 15's, like Andy^^ (mine also) I have Parada Spec 2's. Was pretty impressed as they gave good grip and let go progressively. Saying that its also FWD, and may not work so well on RWD.
Can I ask why RWD?
I had my first FWD trackday and kept up (and went past) with MX5's, Bimmers, Tivs and the likes and was laughing like a drain. Sure those purists say RWD is the true drivers car, but set up properly a FWD can be equally as rewarding and pool of suitable cars is much bigger.
s.m.h. said:
Can I ask why RWD?
Good question. The car is being purchased between three of us and we all drive powerful RWD cars on the road (M3, Tuscan, Z4C....) and part of the idea is by having a RWD track day car it makes us better drivers of these (without the expense of running one of these on the track). I don't really want to hone my reactions for a FWD car on the edge and then take a RWD car out for a spin.
Forgot to add - As per previous question, we are intending to drive it to the track as trailers require extra space, you need to take an extra test to tow above 750kg (?) and I would probably need a bigger car to take the tow weight.
Question. How bald can you let your tyres get in the dry on track before they become pointless? In all likelyhood will end up taking a spare set of wheels so running them down to the canvas is an option.
Edited by (steven) on Monday 14th September 20:26
My mate and I have run a set of 888's on a 1200kg E36 328i down to the point they are bald. We only got 4-5 trackdays out of them due to under-inflating them on one day. If we managed them better I guess we could get 6-8 days out of them.
In respect of your question though, our last trackday had bald 888s on the front and 3mm Hankook RS2s on the rear. The 888s still provided more grip (especially in the wet!) than the Hankooks. BTW these Hankooks are classed as a trackday tyre although they grip more like a very good road tyre.
PS you'll never get an E36 to 1000kgs
In respect of your question though, our last trackday had bald 888s on the front and 3mm Hankook RS2s on the rear. The 888s still provided more grip (especially in the wet!) than the Hankooks. BTW these Hankooks are classed as a trackday tyre although they grip more like a very good road tyre.
PS you'll never get an E36 to 1000kgs
Edited by swtmerce on Monday 14th September 20:38
matt 2LT said:
well i managed to do this to my f1's after 20 mins at silverstone.
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb89/matt_webb/...
and they were only 6 months old.
although im hoping they will have enough life left in them for an evening session at castle combe, before i get some new rubber for the winter.
You need to check your tyre pressures then, they were probably massively overinflated and has a big effect on how the tyre perfrms and how long it lasts.http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb89/matt_webb/...
and they were only 6 months old.
although im hoping they will have enough life left in them for an evening session at castle combe, before i get some new rubber for the winter.
sniff diesel said:
swtmerce said:
you'll never get an E36 to 1000kgs
Maybe a 4 cylinder one, my 325i is 1120 kgs with a 40 kgs cage, so maybe without a cage and the lighter engine/box/diff etc it might just be possible.I used to kill tyres because of understeer on corner entry - I'm a (slightly) better driver now, & don't wear tyres anywhere near as much. Correct tyre pressures also make a huge difference. I'd suggest that you don't really want to use new road tyres on a dry trackday - they are more likely to overheat & wear. Try some track spec rubber instead. I have some old p zero C's that seem to be lasting forever!
Also bear in mind that some of your days will be wet, and you won't get much wear at all on those days. I'd have thought 6-8 days was easily achievable from a set of tyres.
Also bear in mind that some of your days will be wet, and you won't get much wear at all on those days. I'd have thought 6-8 days was easily achievable from a set of tyres.
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