VED ad on telly
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Anyone seen it? You know, the one that's proudly proclaiming that they (the DVLA) don't need to check your car anywhere in order to find out if your tax is out of date...
I'll bet the uninsured, unlicensed and incorrectly registered owners are absolutely quaking in their boots. Not. What a waste of money.
I'll bet the uninsured, unlicensed and incorrectly registered owners are absolutely quaking in their boots. Not. What a waste of money.
Persactly! Until the Police/Relevant Authority are funded in such a way, that all unlicensed and unisured cars are towed away to a pound, and only released to their "rightful" owner on payment of the tow charge, storage and production of a V5, supporting evidence that the owner actually lives at the address on the V5!, insurance certificate, MOT certificate and current VEL - then the criminal classes will continue to snigger at these futile attempts.
As members will know, I'm a BiB. As a custody sergeant I am only too aware of how difficult it is to prove who was driving a car at a given time. The given time usually being a bilking, baulk shoplifting, hit 'n' run RTA etc....
As members will know, I'm a BiB. As a custody sergeant I am only too aware of how difficult it is to prove who was driving a car at a given time. The given time usually being a bilking, baulk shoplifting, hit 'n' run RTA etc....
Oi, Government! STOP WASTING MY MONEY!I would urge anyone p/xing there old car to make sure they send the bottom Red portion of the registration document of THEMSELVES, then you know the jobs done.
Particulary if its a cheapish car ie worth less than £500 cus you can gamble its new 'owner' will most probably not be concerned about legalities, clocking up parking offences, speeding tickets and having no road tax when your car enters this sub culture of British motoring
Particulary if its a cheapish car ie worth less than £500 cus you can gamble its new 'owner' will most probably not be concerned about legalities, clocking up parking offences, speeding tickets and having no road tax when your car enters this sub culture of British motoring
Complete waste.
I still reckon the best plan is to be issued an index number when you are either born or when test passed. So instead of the car being registered to its own plate, the car is registerd to your plate..
Either that or microchip implant at birth (Maybe going a bit too far?)
I still reckon the best plan is to be issued an index number when you are either born or when test passed. So instead of the car being registered to its own plate, the car is registerd to your plate..
Either that or microchip implant at birth (Maybe going a bit too far?)
silverback mike said:
Complete waste.
I still reckon the best plan is to be issued an index number when you are either born or when test passed. So instead of the car being registered to its own plate, the car is registerd to your plate..
Either that or microchip implant at birth (Maybe going a bit too far?)
Mike - You've mentioned this concept before, but how do you deal with the situation whereby a couple share a car? Each time you change drivers do you have to change plates?
You all know of course that if you change your vehicle it is imperative that you notify DVLA of change of ownership. New system just starting that they will send you a letter of acknowledgement which you should keep in a safe place.
Otherwise you will be hit for the 80 quid non tax fine when they do the monthly cull of their records to see who hasn't renewed Excise Licence,plus any parking fines etc committed by the new owner if he hasn't notified the change as well.
Also APNR is starting to weed out those without Insurance. MOT system to come on line in the future and this will also show up.
Big Brother is out there and its going to get them.
DVD
Otherwise you will be hit for the 80 quid non tax fine when they do the monthly cull of their records to see who hasn't renewed Excise Licence,plus any parking fines etc committed by the new owner if he hasn't notified the change as well.
Also APNR is starting to weed out those without Insurance. MOT system to come on line in the future and this will also show up.
Big Brother is out there and its going to get them.
DVD
What does the V5 prove anyway....my old man recently sold a car privately and got the punter to fill in the V5 accordingly and sent the form off to DVLA. My dad said at the time he suspected it was a dodgy name and address, but the price was good and cash, and it isn't my dad's place to ask the punter for proof of the name and address. So my dad had legally complied with all he had to do, and now the car is probably in the "grey" area of not knowing who owns it.
Another useless stealth tax to punish the honest people who register their car correctly, and then forget to tax it because they are on holiday etc.....useless.
Another useless stealth tax to punish the honest people who register their car correctly, and then forget to tax it because they are on holiday etc.....useless.
GreigM said:
What does the V5 prove anyway....my old man recently sold a car privately and got the punter to fill in the V5 accordingly and sent the form off to DVLA. My dad said at the time he suspected it was a dodgy name and address,
Another regulation has just come in that requires a dealer taxing a car to obtain proof of adddress..... strikes me these things are always about causing the honest grief and paperwork, yet the ones who dont bother taxing cars arnt going to be affected are they?
Its like the vehicle registration offices with plate transfer... you cant believe the grief we get with them being predantic about insurance certificates and which car they relate to.
Is a guy who insures his old 30k suddenly gonna decide not to insure the new one? i think not!
The real villians in this sub culture never get any hassle, cus on paper they dont actually exist!
My point exactly. Anyone who wants to drive a car with no accurate record of who they are can simply go & buy one and give a false name & address.
Funnily enough, I wouldn't mind betting that these are the same people who don't pay for insurance and possibly don't even have licenses to drive.
As there is no requirement to carry all driving documents (i.e. you can produce them at a cop shop later) presumably all one has to do is give a false name & address if stopped by the police and pop a new set of false plates on the car when you get home. I know you supposedly need a V5 to get plates made up now, but who in all seriousness thinks its going to be impossible to source false plates?
Funnily enough, I wouldn't mind betting that these are the same people who don't pay for insurance and possibly don't even have licenses to drive.
As there is no requirement to carry all driving documents (i.e. you can produce them at a cop shop later) presumably all one has to do is give a false name & address if stopped by the police and pop a new set of false plates on the car when you get home. I know you supposedly need a V5 to get plates made up now, but who in all seriousness thinks its going to be impossible to source false plates?
pdv6 - I feel I ought to point out - that giving false details to the BiB ( 
)- should result in whats called a PACE arrest, if the Officer is even half clued up. If I stop a car (which I rarely do these days - why did I get promoted?) and the driver comes back as "No Trace" on PNC, i.e never been in trouble, and the driver does not have any PROPER photo ID on them, like a passport or photocard driving licence, together with evidence of an address, then they will almost certainly be arrested. Once booked in - they will be placed on a machine called "Livescan" which is basically a digital fingerprint machine - which, of course, tells us precisely who they are, and what their driver status is. When it turns out porkie pies have been told, a charge of Obstruct Police usually follows. And when I'm sat behind the charge desk - they rarely get bail! 
)- should result in whats called a PACE arrest, if the Officer is even half clued up. If I stop a car (which I rarely do these days - why did I get promoted?) and the driver comes back as "No Trace" on PNC, i.e never been in trouble, and the driver does not have any PROPER photo ID on them, like a passport or photocard driving licence, together with evidence of an address, then they will almost certainly be arrested. Once booked in - they will be placed on a machine called "Livescan" which is basically a digital fingerprint machine - which, of course, tells us precisely who they are, and what their driver status is. When it turns out porkie pies have been told, a charge of Obstruct Police usually follows. And when I'm sat behind the charge desk - they rarely get bail! silverback mike said:What a great idea, Mike. And perhaps the micro-chip could be tracked so that if we were 1mph over the speed limit (in a car, in a bus, on a train, etc.) we could be identified and punished severely
Complete waste.
I still reckon the best plan is to be issued an index number when you are either born or when test passed. So instead of the car being registered to its own plate, the car is registerd to your plate..
Either that or microchip implant at birth (Maybe going a bit too far?)
- Streakyxxplod said:
pdv6 - I feel I ought to point out - that giving false details to the BiB (
Right then
I've never been in trouble with the law, I don't carry any photo ID on me and I never really have anything with my address on with me when I'm in the car. Does this mean that if I do get stopped in the future I'll be whisked off down to the station and finger printed?
I hope not.
forever_driving said:
pdv6 - I feel I ought to point out - that giving false details to the BiB (
Right then
I've never been in trouble with the law, I don't carry any photo ID on me and I never really have anything with my address on with me when I'm in the car. Does this mean that if I do get stopped in the future I'll be whisked off down to the station and finger printed?
I hope not.
Same here.
Civil liberties, what are they?
xxplod said:Did you really mean that? There is no obligation for a UK citizen to carry a 'photoID' in the UK. The only 'photoID' I have these days is my passport - and that's two blue ones plus a maroon one stapled together (current visas is why), so it's rather bulky and I only carry it when I'm travelling (which, admittedly, is fairly often). If I were arrested on the basis of having no 'photoID' and "No trace" on the PNC, you'd be hearing from my lawyers PDQ ... and getting yourself in the national press - Streaky
... If I stop a car (which I rarely do these days - why did I get promoted?) and the driver comes back as "No Trace" on PNC, i.e never been in trouble, and the driver does not have any PROPER photo ID on them, like a passport or photocard driving licence, together with evidence of an address, then they will almost certainly be arrested. ...
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