Definition of a Serious Injury (as in KSI)
Discussion
rospa said:
Is there a widely agreed definition of a serious injury?
Yes.
A serious injury is officially defined as follows:
" An injury for which a person is detained in hospital as an in-patient, or any of the following injuries whether or not they are detained in hospital:
fractures, concussion, internal injuries, crushings, burns (excluding friction burns), severe cuts and lacerations, severe general shock requiring medical treatment and injuries causing death thirty or more days after the accident."
Yes. Not sure what you mean by KSI? The CPS lay down guidelines on what is termed serious injury, in terms of assualts, e.g. common assault, actual bodily harm, grievous bodily harm. These have relevance to car accidents. Traffic Officers can arrest a driver for casuing Grievous Bodily Harm, if it appears that serious injury is caused, as a result of driving which may consitute an offence of careless/dangerous driving. I'm not a traffic officer, and I won't bore people with the Road Deaths Investigation Manual, but in short serious injury is pretty much as it sounds. i.e. injury that is likely to lead to permanent disfigurement, lasting injuries, significant treatment.
pdV6 said:
KSI = Killed or Seriously Injured, as in the stats that "Safety" Partnerships ( ) use to decide on scamera placement. Allegedly.
Camera partnerships, especially in the Metropolitan Police area HAVE to stick to the KSI figures. If we can`t evidence any KSI accidents the camera doesn`t even go up.
All potential camera sites are firstly given to the Gatso office at my traffic gagage where a Traffic Officer considers each site on numerous points such as how many KSI`s there have been and most impotantly,I feel if it is a site that we as Traffic Police attend on a regular basis to deal with accidents and speed enforcement.
No where in the Met. are there any speed cameras that are placed on roads which do not have any accidents.
Threshold speeds are decided by experienced Traffic Officers and are always above the ACPO guidelines.
There is a place for speed cameras on UK roads as long as they are used sensibly and in conjunction with intelligence led Traffic policing, which I feel in the Met we have done.
will crash said:
KSI = Killed or Seriously Injured, as in the stats that "Safety" Partnerships (
Camera partnerships, especially in the Metropolitan Police area HAVE to stick to the KSI figures. If we can`t evidence any KSI accidents the camera doesn`t even go up.
All potential camera sites are firstly given to the Gatso office at my traffic gagage where a Traffic Officer considers each site on numerous points such as how many KSI`s there have been and most impotantly,I feel if it is a site that we as Traffic Police attend on a regular basis to deal with accidents and speed enforcement.
No where in the Met. are there any speed cameras that are placed on roads which do not have any accidents.
Threshold speeds are decided by experienced Traffic Officers and are always above the ACPO guidelines.
There is a place for speed cameras on UK roads as long as they are used sensibly and in conjunction with intelligence led Traffic policing, which I feel in the Met we have done.
I wonder then how we explain the installation of speed cameras on brand new roads with no history whatesover of traffic, let alone traffic accidents.
Here in N. Wales we are told for example that the camera hidden behind a railway bridge in Greenfield is neccessary because the A548 has a history which complies with the so-called guidelines.
But the A548 is 29 miles long !!!!!
streaky said:
.. any of the following injuries whether or not they are detained in hospital:
fractures...
So a broken little piggy is a "serious injury" is it? I can see how they rack the stats up then - Streaky
Aye, I keep telling 'em that a broken pinkie is not quite the same as being permanently dead but they won't listen.
T
The accident stats are very carefully looked at in the Met. by experienced Traffic Patrol officers. If its NOT a KSI it`s not included, its that simple. This should be the case throughout the UK.
I can`t work out any type of logic behind putting cameras on new roads without any RTA history....it is totally pants and only serves to upset the motoring public.
I say bring in National guidelines as long as I can write the policy...........
I can`t work out any type of logic behind putting cameras on new roads without any RTA history....it is totally pants and only serves to upset the motoring public.
I say bring in National guidelines as long as I can write the policy...........
will crash said:
The accident stats are very carefully looked at in the Met. by experienced Traffic Patrol officers. If its NOT a KSI it`s not included, its that simple. This should be the case throughout the UK.
I can`t work out any type of logic behind putting cameras on new roads without any RTA history....it is totally pants and only serves to upset the motoring public.
I say bring in National guidelines as long as I can write the policy...........
The local camera partnership insists that KSI collisions have fallen on those roads targetted by speed cameras. This may well be true but fatalities have risen for the last five years or so yet they still trot out the "speed cameras prevent accidents" crap. Grrrr.
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