So why must I avoid the Speed 6?
So why must I avoid the Speed 6?
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sethlj

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367 posts

277 months

Tuesday 6th January 2004
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I am looking to buy a Cerbera in the next few weeks with a £23k budget (subject to selling or p/xing my Evo VI) and keep getting the advice that I should steer clear of the 4.0 Speed 6 and go for a 4.2 or 4.5.

On the face of it with the monster power I would be inclined to go for the 4.5 but being fairly clueless when it comes to the differences I need some impartial advice about which is the one to go for and why.

Anyone able to enlighten me or point me in the right direction for info? I've seen the recent '4.2 or 4.5' thread but the sp 6 doesn't get much of a mention.

Whatever happens I will get the front light conversion done to match the Tuscan - I've been quoted £1100 plus VAT - must be worth it for increasing resale alone?

Seth.

FourWheelDrift

91,685 posts

306 months

Tuesday 6th January 2004
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Can, worms....open.

If it's been looked after or had an engine rebuild (fix) there is no reason to avoid a Speed Six. It's the same with all Cerbera's though, buy as newer one as you can afford with full service history and all the reciepts for work done.

sethlj said:

On the face of it with the monster power I would be inclined to go for the 4.5


You'll find it difficult to tell the difference between 4.2, 4.0 (Six) and 4.5's unless you're on track.

>> Edited by FourWheelDrift on Tuesday 6th January 13:19

jamster

488 posts

270 months

Tuesday 6th January 2004
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Sethlj, there is no reason to not go for a speed six. it is the most common engine in the TVR range and is the one TVR are pinning their future business on. You'll see many threads about 4.5's being under powered ie 360bhp instead of 420bhp, you'll see many threads about clutch problems witht he 4.2 and you'll see many threads about valve stretching in the Speed 6's. they all have their own problems. Only thing I would add is that when any engine or product is released by a manufacturer they need time to route out the relibility issues ie 1-2 years. How do they do this? With feedback form the customer ie me and you! I would tend to stear away from any product within it's first year of manufacture. your 23k budget would thus put ou in this S6 bracket of the first ones made. Best advice is to spend a few hours sifitng through all the threads on PH and do your homework well. Good luck!

raceboy

13,605 posts

302 months

Tuesday 6th January 2004
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sethlj said:
Whatever happens I will get the front light conversion done to match the Tuscan - I've been quoted £1100 plus VAT - must be worth it for increasing resale alone?

Not really the case, the mod will not add one penny to the used value, and it may actually make it harder to sell, some people like it, but not everyone, and the cynical would say 'why has it been done, have you had a front end bump?'

jamster

488 posts

270 months

Tuesday 6th January 2004
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1100 is expensive for the light conversion. I'm assuming your talking about the twin halogens blended and painted. Should be able to get it for less than a grand or not blendid for 500.

Jamster

GCerbera

5,161 posts

273 months

Tuesday 6th January 2004
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As FourWheelDrift said, get a newer or 'sorted' speed
six and you will be fine and your wallet will be happier!

Seems to be some real bargain Speed Six's around right
now - might take a look myself!

pdavison

1,638 posts

299 months

Tuesday 6th January 2004
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Drive all three, I did and found that for me the speed six was best (it's more drivable everyday).

As said here buy the latest you can and read up on the info provided here and you can't go wrong.

These cars are the most incredible machines, but be aware that they will have little niggles. It's all part of the ownership experience.

Good luck with your search.

whatever

2,174 posts

292 months

Tuesday 6th January 2004
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jamster said:
...4.5's being under powered ie 360bhp instead of 420bhp, ...


I know exactly what you meant, but it does make me chuckle to read of the 4.5 being "under-powered"

kojak69

4,547 posts

275 months

Tuesday 6th January 2004
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Wheres Nick (Ocean1). This is his playing field.

ocean1

1,045 posts

282 months

Tuesday 6th January 2004
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kojak69 said:
Wheres Nick (Ocean1). This is his playing field.


Really dont want to go through all this again! Just to say that my car has now passed 36000 miles, with the engine giving no problems whatsoever. Best advice is to try an S6, they are sufficiently different from the V8 cars to make this worthwile. 4.5 420bhp is well known rubbish. Will be selling my car soon....

Ocean1

kojak69

4,547 posts

275 months

Tuesday 6th January 2004
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How are you Nick. Thought you'd gone into hybernation. Did you have a good xmas and new year?

Heres hoping for a better 2004.

munir

62 posts

271 months

Tuesday 6th January 2004
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sethlj said:
I am looking to buy a Cerbera in the next few weeks with a £23k budget (subject to selling or p/xing my Evo VI) and keep getting the advice that I should steer clear of the 4.0 Speed 6 and go for a 4.2 or 4.5.

On the face of it with the monster power I would be inclined to go for the 4.5 but being fairly clueless when it comes to the differences I need some impartial advice about which is the one to go for and why.

Anyone able to enlighten me or point me in the right direction for info? I've seen the recent '4.2 or 4.5' thread but the sp 6 doesn't get much of a mention.

Whatever happens I will get the front light conversion done to match the Tuscan - I've been quoted £1100 plus VAT - must be worth it for increasing resale alone?

Seth.


I love to comment but because of rush please read the previous discussions with others from my member's profile. I had a 4.2 now have a 4.5. The later is faster in the higher range but 4.2 had more pleasure.

munir

62 posts

271 months

Tuesday 6th January 2004
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jamster said:
Sethlj, there is no reason to not go for a speed six. it is the most common engine in the TVR range and is the one TVR are pinning their future business on. You'll see many threads about 4.5's being under powered ie 360bhp instead of 420bhp, you'll see many threads about clutch problems witht he 4.2 and you'll see many threads about valve stretching in the Speed 6's. they all have their own problems. Only thing I would add is that when any engine or product is released by a manufacturer they need time to route out the relibility issues ie 1-2 years. How do they do this? With feedback form the customer ie me and you! I would tend to stear away from any product within it's first year of manufacture. your 23k budget would thus put ou in this S6 bracket of the first ones made. Best advice is to spend a few hours sifitng through all the threads on PH and do your homework well. Good luck!


Agree about the bhp being alleged to be overstated. The cars however are not underpowered. I beg to differ regarding the price bracket. The 'car we want' is something like £23000-£27000 for 4.5, £19000-£21000 for 4.2 and £17000-£19000 for S6 - unless we are discussing newer models (2000-). The S6 is described to be the smoothest despite all the aggression. It's a Cerbera after all.

sethlj

Original Poster:

367 posts

277 months

Wednesday 7th January 2004
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Cheers guys - sound advice.

I've seen a nice sp6 ('99 T with 13500 miles at £22k) that I may have a look at this w/e - but I still can't resist the draw of the V8 4.5. We'll see.

Are there any TVR club meets in the SW (Bristol would be good) in the next few weeks that I could gate crash to pick a few like minded brains?

OR

Are there any SW/Bristol based Cerbera owners that fancy showing off their sp6, 4.2 or 4.5 to me? I'll get the beers in!

TEXET

94 posts

266 months

Wednesday 7th January 2004
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I've owned a 4.5 Cerb and now have a Tuscan S6. Both great cars, both great engines. I never even considered a S6 Cerb when I was looking....... WHAT A SILLY BOY I WAS

raceboy

13,605 posts

302 months

Thursday 8th January 2004
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sethlj said:
Are there any TVR club meets in the SW (Bristol would be good) in the next few weeks that I could gate crash to pick a few like minded brains?

www.tvrcc-bristol.co.uk/Home.htm

GI Jnr

1,903 posts

283 months

Thursday 8th January 2004
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Seth

YHM

Tuan

ocean1

1,045 posts

282 months

Thursday 8th January 2004
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kojak69 said:
How are you Nick. Thought you'd gone into hybernation. Did you have a good xmas and new year?

Heres hoping for a better 2004.


Ocean lives! Have you missed me?

kojak69

4,547 posts

275 months

Thursday 8th January 2004
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Of course i've missed you. How are you?

kojak69

4,547 posts

275 months

Thursday 8th January 2004
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Glad to see theres a new Mrs ocean.