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Costs ?? How longs a piece of string ?
Entry fee's, fuel, food (tent for us as hotels to expensive) consumables etc, if we broke nothing reckon on a true cost excluding car of £400-£500 minimum a meeting but including entry fee's. Dont forget the intal ARDS and kit costs to.
Purely on costs alone I'm back to the trackday scene, whilst trackdays can be fun nothing gets near the adrenaline rush as waiting in the holding area to go out to the start, the dash to the first corner (and the rest of the race for that mind) is so far removed from trackday driving they are night and day apart.
When funds allow I for sure will be back, if you have the opportunity to try it go for it, its the ultimate driving experience not to be missed.
Costs ?? How longs a piece of string ?
Entry fee's, fuel, food (tent for us as hotels to expensive) consumables etc, if we broke nothing reckon on a true cost excluding car of £400-£500 minimum a meeting but including entry fee's. Dont forget the intal ARDS and kit costs to.
Purely on costs alone I'm back to the trackday scene, whilst trackdays can be fun nothing gets near the adrenaline rush as waiting in the holding area to go out to the start, the dash to the first corner (and the rest of the race for that mind) is so far removed from trackday driving they are night and day apart.
When funds allow I for sure will be back, if you have the opportunity to try it go for it, its the ultimate driving experience not to be missed.
Hi
Not sure which off the championships your looking at in the 750mc. There's Kitcars which run various classes with car engines. And RGB with various classes which run bike engines.And theres also Locost but efectivly one make as such.
There was some discusions regarding running costs here. http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a... The trouble is they still have not managed to change the regulations to somthing that makes any sense. I believe that the Kitcar championship will go from the 11 or so runners it currently has down to 8 or so next year with more drivers walking away after this season. Which kinda makes it a dead championship.
Cheers Matt
Not sure which off the championships your looking at in the 750mc. There's Kitcars which run various classes with car engines. And RGB with various classes which run bike engines.And theres also Locost but efectivly one make as such.
There was some discusions regarding running costs here. http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a... The trouble is they still have not managed to change the regulations to somthing that makes any sense. I believe that the Kitcar championship will go from the 11 or so runners it currently has down to 8 or so next year with more drivers walking away after this season. Which kinda makes it a dead championship.
Cheers Matt
a "friend" of mine won a 750mc Championship outright a couple of years back (his wife may read this!!!) . I am reliably informed it cost him around £10,000 to complete the season with testing and consumables, NO big accident repair bills.... That includes Hotel rooms, breakfasts, tow car fuel ect. Not for the faint of heart. He was obviously running at the front with the intention of blitzing the opposition, if you just fancy a day out in the mid-field and use your tyres until you can see the canvas then the costs will be reduced. But not my much for a full season.
Tsk Tsk Matt, a little bit of bias creeping in there...
Once you have a car, the costs of running a season in Kits and RGB are roughly the same (for the same person). Locost is not that much cheaper. Entry fees are the same, so the differences in cost are consumables and replacement/repair costs. Kits and RGB run the same tyres. Travel and accomodation costs are not formula dependent!
I certainly have not spent anywhere near 10K on a season and compete near the sharp end of RGB. The truth is that in any formula there will be some people who spend significantly more than others depending on their budget, luck and whether they spanner for themselves. The amount of testing you do can also significantly alter the budget (again formula independent!).
Some people in locost spend 3K on an engine blueprint, others make do with a home built special. Some in kits have spent 5K upgrading to a Duratec installation. Converseley I've known a class C RGB guy compete on a whole year on a £500 scrapyard engine (I've also known people blow £3.5 K on a blueprinted Busa...). Do you buy sexy Ohlins dampers or make do with reasonable single adjustables? Do you buy new tyres every few races? Do you change your expensive synthetic oil every race meeting (i don't)?
The point of this is that in reality there isn't a fixed cost. You need to budget around £5K minimum and then have a contingency on top of that to cope with major repair bills if you are unlucky enough to blow up an engine and/or have a serious crunch.
For the record, I ran a class B RGB car (Phoenix) up until last year. I spent around 6k a season excluding major purchases like a spare engine. My first R1 engine (which cost £1200) lasted two seasons before it got refreshed. A spare cost £800. I use two sets of Yoko 048's a season and go testing 3-4 times a year. In my third season I treated myself to some decent double adjustable shocks. I don't stay in B+B (I have a camper van) and spanner the car myself unless it needs major surgery. I have been lucky and not suffered big crash damage or major unreliability - the incidents I had so far have been easy fibreglass and a quick weld type repairs. I make a brake pad set last a season and change oil approx 3 times during the year.
So in summary, race what you fancy and don't be put off by this formula costs more than this one type arguments. If budget is tight then locost is the one to go for purely because your initial outlay is a bit cheaper and running costs should (if you don't get crunched) be cheaper. You'll still spend £5K on the season though
If you fancy Kits or RGB buy a secondhand car, its much more cost effective than trying to build one new and will have all the "niggles" ironed out.
Enjoy whatever you do
Cheers
Paul
2008 Class B Winner (now running a Class A car)
Once you have a car, the costs of running a season in Kits and RGB are roughly the same (for the same person). Locost is not that much cheaper. Entry fees are the same, so the differences in cost are consumables and replacement/repair costs. Kits and RGB run the same tyres. Travel and accomodation costs are not formula dependent!
I certainly have not spent anywhere near 10K on a season and compete near the sharp end of RGB. The truth is that in any formula there will be some people who spend significantly more than others depending on their budget, luck and whether they spanner for themselves. The amount of testing you do can also significantly alter the budget (again formula independent!).
Some people in locost spend 3K on an engine blueprint, others make do with a home built special. Some in kits have spent 5K upgrading to a Duratec installation. Converseley I've known a class C RGB guy compete on a whole year on a £500 scrapyard engine (I've also known people blow £3.5 K on a blueprinted Busa...). Do you buy sexy Ohlins dampers or make do with reasonable single adjustables? Do you buy new tyres every few races? Do you change your expensive synthetic oil every race meeting (i don't)?
The point of this is that in reality there isn't a fixed cost. You need to budget around £5K minimum and then have a contingency on top of that to cope with major repair bills if you are unlucky enough to blow up an engine and/or have a serious crunch.
For the record, I ran a class B RGB car (Phoenix) up until last year. I spent around 6k a season excluding major purchases like a spare engine. My first R1 engine (which cost £1200) lasted two seasons before it got refreshed. A spare cost £800. I use two sets of Yoko 048's a season and go testing 3-4 times a year. In my third season I treated myself to some decent double adjustable shocks. I don't stay in B+B (I have a camper van) and spanner the car myself unless it needs major surgery. I have been lucky and not suffered big crash damage or major unreliability - the incidents I had so far have been easy fibreglass and a quick weld type repairs. I make a brake pad set last a season and change oil approx 3 times during the year.
So in summary, race what you fancy and don't be put off by this formula costs more than this one type arguments. If budget is tight then locost is the one to go for purely because your initial outlay is a bit cheaper and running costs should (if you don't get crunched) be cheaper. You'll still spend £5K on the season though
If you fancy Kits or RGB buy a secondhand car, its much more cost effective than trying to build one new and will have all the "niggles" ironed out.
Enjoy whatever you do
Cheers
Paul
2008 Class B Winner (now running a Class A car)
Edited by progers63 on Saturday 19th September 09:11
I raced in kits on and off for 6 years and found it pretty boring with not much close racing.
Needn't cost much to race mid/back of the grid but be prepared to dig deep to run near the front as there's all sorts going on
I'd rather race locosts, they look way more fun.
BTW I now race in the Westfield series and although the grids aren't huge it's extremely close racing and costs less to be competitive.
Needn't cost much to race mid/back of the grid but be prepared to dig deep to run near the front as there's all sorts going on
I'd rather race locosts, they look way more fun.
BTW I now race in the Westfield series and although the grids aren't huge it's extremely close racing and costs less to be competitive.
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