Workers can claim back holidays ruined by illness

Workers can claim back holidays ruined by illness

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55 months

Tuesday 15th September 2009
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http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/law...

" Workers who are ill during their holidays can now claim the time back from their employers following a landmark ruling by the European Court of Justice. "

Asterix

24,438 posts

229 months

Tuesday 15th September 2009
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Ridiculous!

So you go to Benidorm, get hammered and eat a dodgy kebab and then fabricate the story to say you got some bug etc...

Do the people that make these decisions live in the real world, run real businesses and deal with your average nine-to-fiver who will simply abuse the system?

bga

8,134 posts

252 months

Tuesday 15th September 2009
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Lots of companies have been doing this for a few years now.
I do the same for my employees but in my case it's not a problem as they aren't paid much for illness or holidays.

BJWoods

5,015 posts

285 months

Tuesday 15th September 2009
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bga said:
Lots of companies have been doing this for a few years now.
I do the same for my employees but in my case it's not a problem as they aren't paid much for illness or holidays.
four weeks paid holiday - magically becomes 8 weeks, is not a problem then?!!!!???

the posties will love it..
call in sick (self certified off course 1st day of holiday, enjoy holiday..

book another holiday when you get back (could you get 'sick again')

permanent holidays !!!!!

B

Malx

871 posts

205 months

Tuesday 15th September 2009
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I know of a couple of people who have done this but a doctors not was required on both occasions. Self certify is not enough

Kermit power

28,690 posts

214 months

Tuesday 15th September 2009
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This has been in my contract for the last few years across at least 3 employers, so I'd always assumed it was already a legal requirement.

Personally, I don't see why it's a problem?

The sort of person who would call in sick when they fancy a few days off isn't going to do it whilst they're on holiday. Why would they bother? They just enjoy their holiday, and then when they fancy another one, they call in sick. Faking sickness from a holiday is just going to look more suspicious, thus cause more questions, and why would they want that?

Don

28,377 posts

285 months

Tuesday 15th September 2009
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Question

We do software to record and manage employee time information including absences and sickness and so on. EU WTD compliance management is something we've been supporting ever since an important client brought us in because they had been sued. I'm very interested in how many firms are starting to protect themselves - for obvious reasons!

Any comments gratefully recieved! It may help us market our product more effectively.

Don

28,377 posts

285 months

Tuesday 15th September 2009
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Kermit power said:
This has been in my contract for the last few years across at least 3 employers, so I'd always assumed it was already a legal requirement.

Personally, I don't see why it's a problem?

The sort of person who would call in sick when they fancy a few days off isn't going to do it whilst they're on holiday. Why would they bother? They just enjoy their holiday, and then when they fancy another one, they call in sick. Faking sickness from a holiday is just going to look more suspicious, thus cause more questions, and why would they want that?
Good point.

Would your firm require a Doctor's note to prove sickness during vacation time?

Kermit power

28,690 posts

214 months

Tuesday 15th September 2009
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Don said:
Kermit power said:
This has been in my contract for the last few years across at least 3 employers, so I'd always assumed it was already a legal requirement.

Personally, I don't see why it's a problem?

The sort of person who would call in sick when they fancy a few days off isn't going to do it whilst they're on holiday. Why would they bother? They just enjoy their holiday, and then when they fancy another one, they call in sick. Faking sickness from a holiday is just going to look more suspicious, thus cause more questions, and why would they want that?
Good point.

Would your firm require a Doctor's note to prove sickness during vacation time?
As far as I'm aware, the same rules are applied whether you're on holiday or not, but I've not had to claim, so I don't really know.

Firefoot

1,600 posts

218 months

Tuesday 15th September 2009
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My company requests a sick note when claiming back holidays due to illness. We are quite happy to reimburse the £10 that GPs charge for this (when giving a sick note in the first 7 days of absence).

Places like the railway have had this system in for a long time. Request leave then go sick, GP note required. Request leave on a bank holiday, get declined then go sick, gp note required.

Lord Pikey

3,257 posts

216 months

Tuesday 15th September 2009
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This has always been the case here.

That might explain todays layoffs............

Craigyp79

589 posts

184 months

Tuesday 15th September 2009
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Thought that had always been the case?

In the Civil Service they have come down hard on sickness absence, reach a certain number of seperate days off in a 12 month rolling period and you can be put on a warning.

Most people I work with are scared to call in sick nowadays even if they are, so now we all get to share the office cold!



BAHN-STORMA

2,712 posts

191 months

Tuesday 15th September 2009
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As said several times above, this has been the case in many firms for many years.

It's a NON-STORY.

Won't stop the Daily Mail readers having a good whinge..

Jimbeaux

33,791 posts

232 months

Tuesday 15th September 2009
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Asterix said:
Ridiculous!

So you go to Benidorm, get hammered and eat a dodgy kebab and then fabricate the story to say you got some bug etc...

Do the people that make these decisions live in the real world, run real businesses and deal with your average nine-to-fiver who will simply abuse the system?
No.

BJWoods

5,015 posts

285 months

Tuesday 15th September 2009
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Jimbeaux said:
Asterix said:
Ridiculous!

So you go to Benidorm, get hammered and eat a dodgy kebab and then fabricate the story to say you got some bug etc...

Do the people that make these decisions live in the real world, run real businesses and deal with your average nine-to-fiver who will simply abuse the system?
No.
big difference between small business and large business...

Small business' make up a very large part of gdp, and they do not have the luxury of hr, just stressed owners

B

bga

8,134 posts

252 months

Tuesday 15th September 2009
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BJWoods said:
bga said:
Lots of companies have been doing this for a few years now.
I do the same for my employees but in my case it's not a problem as they aren't paid much for illness or holidays.
four weeks paid holiday - magically becomes 8 weeks, is not a problem then?!!!!???

the posties will love it..
call in sick (self certified off course 1st day of holiday, enjoy holiday..

book another holiday when you get back (could you get 'sick again')

permanent holidays !!!!!

B
How is it different to them taking time off now?
Proof of illness doesn't suddenly stop becuse they are on hols.

Many, many large companies have provided this facility for a while now. If it was screwing them over they wouldn't do it.

bigTee

5,546 posts

222 months

Tuesday 15th September 2009
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crazy.