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hello all, I went to view a Noble GTO 2.5 litre last night, really nice, 16k on the clock on a 52 plate, had my mechanic look around it and he it was really nice.
Just wondered if you could give me any help advice or anything regarding the standard GTO is the re sale as good as the 3R i know there less expensive. Mechanically are the sound. Please post any information about them.
If it comes back good im going back tomorrow to buy it :-)
Please help many many thanks
Zac
Just wondered if you could give me any help advice or anything regarding the standard GTO is the re sale as good as the 3R i know there less expensive. Mechanically are the sound. Please post any information about them.
If it comes back good im going back tomorrow to buy it :-)
Please help many many thanks
Zac
zacey boy said:
Are the GTO's a good car even though there the 2.5?
All Nobles are good cars, some will argue that the 2.5 is has better balance, in reality it's a fairly academic point, buy to your budget. I think the only weak point on the 2,5 the Magnetti Marrelli ECU can fail, some have been converted to run MBE or Omex, you may want to check. The other weak point about the 2.5, GT03 and early 3R's is that they had an 'open diff' which is prone to break. If the car you're viewing hasn't had a limited slip diff fitted, to do so will cost you a fair few quid as the engine has to come out. Doesn't mean you shouldn't buy it but use it to haggle and as Adrian rightly says, "buy to your budget."
zacey boy said:
Are the GTO's a good car even though there the 2.5?
A few things which you should take into account when buying a 2.5L M12.If it's original, it will have an open diff. If you don't tend to drive in the rain, or are sensible when its damp you should have no problems.
The problem with the open diff is that when one wheel starts the spin, the other one looses power, when the spinning wheel finally gains traction, it can cause a jolt which damages the diff.
If you are sensible, and just use it a sunny day car, it's not going to be a problem.
It might have the original exhaust, you can tell as it exits through the bottom of the diffuser rather than above it. If it does, get rid of it. There are a number of options available, Noble motorsports do a very nice one, and Rousch do one too.
Baffled sump, if you are going to take this car to a track, it'll need a baffled sump. If not, then it's not going to be a problem.
Cooling was an issue on the earlier cars, make sure it's had the factory fan upgrade.
Other than that, the original 2.5L car is pretty sound, and having done well over 100K in one, if you take care of it, it'll take care of you :-)
Hope this helps....
--Jool
One could argue that a 2.5 is easier to sell as they are cheaper and more people can afford them so the market is larger.
But yes when I was looking at a 2.5 what worried me was the lack of LSD and ECU problems.
Make sure it has AC. I have mine on nearly all the time as it gets hot in there with the engine behind you!
But yes when I was looking at a 2.5 what worried me was the lack of LSD and ECU problems.
Make sure it has AC. I have mine on nearly all the time as it gets hot in there with the engine behind you!
zacey boy said:
is the re sale as good as the 3R i know there less expensive.
Hi Zac, although 3Rs and M400s are updated from early 2.5s and 3.0s (some would say, more desirable - your call in the end) the fact that the M12 model line isn't in production anymore means that any chersied/good examples will be sought after and will hold their price, IMHO.fhwong said:
One could argue that a 2.5 is easier to sell as they are cheaper and more people can afford them so the market is larger.
But yes when I was looking at a 2.5 what worried me was the lack of LSD and ECU problems.
Make sure it has AC. I have mine on nearly all the time as it gets hot in there with the engine behind you!
do the tunnel mod mateBut yes when I was looking at a 2.5 what worried me was the lack of LSD and ECU problems.
Make sure it has AC. I have mine on nearly all the time as it gets hot in there with the engine behind you!
So to Sum up (I have been trhough all of this so I know how expensive it can be).
1.Make sure it has had the ECU upgrade - if not and it still has the Marelli ECU then +2k is needed to change this.
2. Fan upgrade is visable as the old way was fans connected to radiator and in the upgrade the fans are connected to a shroud above the radiator (so fans are not touching rad) - This is cheap to rectify say £200
3. Diff (mine went in the dry on a roundabout and a slippery patch of something. LSD upgrade would be desirable as this is expensive - approx £2k if you cut chassis bar or £3-4k if engine removed.
4. Exhasut for 2.5 is fine and this only needs to be changed for asthetic reasons and if more power is wanted - I was kindly given a 3R exhaust and fitted that.
5. Track Day sump is only required if going on track but just make sure Oil levels are checked weekly - If it comes with a TDS then its a bonus but again one can be fitted by cutting a chassis bar or engine out, the cutting route cost me £900 at Noble when they were doing a deal I think you would be looking at a few hundred more thse days.
There are lots of improving mods that can be done but none to expensive if you want to get your hands dirty but are not essential when buying.
AC con I belive is std in all cars but check that it works - also check that you can get cold and hot hir from the vents without the air con on and all fan speeds work. Check that cooling fan come on when car warms up (check what the dial reads - should coming in on the dial before gauge reads 100).
There are other niggles and part numbers and some fixes are on the Nobleparts website that you will have to register and let thephilbret guy know once you have made purchase.
I'm happy to give more advice if you want to PM me and I'll give you my number.
Bondy
1.Make sure it has had the ECU upgrade - if not and it still has the Marelli ECU then +2k is needed to change this.
2. Fan upgrade is visable as the old way was fans connected to radiator and in the upgrade the fans are connected to a shroud above the radiator (so fans are not touching rad) - This is cheap to rectify say £200
3. Diff (mine went in the dry on a roundabout and a slippery patch of something. LSD upgrade would be desirable as this is expensive - approx £2k if you cut chassis bar or £3-4k if engine removed.
4. Exhasut for 2.5 is fine and this only needs to be changed for asthetic reasons and if more power is wanted - I was kindly given a 3R exhaust and fitted that.
5. Track Day sump is only required if going on track but just make sure Oil levels are checked weekly - If it comes with a TDS then its a bonus but again one can be fitted by cutting a chassis bar or engine out, the cutting route cost me £900 at Noble when they were doing a deal I think you would be looking at a few hundred more thse days.
There are lots of improving mods that can be done but none to expensive if you want to get your hands dirty but are not essential when buying.
AC con I belive is std in all cars but check that it works - also check that you can get cold and hot hir from the vents without the air con on and all fan speeds work. Check that cooling fan come on when car warms up (check what the dial reads - should coming in on the dial before gauge reads 100).
There are other niggles and part numbers and some fixes are on the Nobleparts website that you will have to register and let thephilbret guy know once you have made purchase.
I'm happy to give more advice if you want to PM me and I'll give you my number.
Bondy
thats great mgbond, I know this sounds really cheacky but would it be possible if you phoned the guy that is selling it and ask him them questions as i'm rubbish at doing it, if i give you his number would that be possible?
Would be really greatfull
You seem to know alot about them and need some expertiese on it.
Would be really greatfull
You seem to know alot about them and need some expertiese on it.
sean_goodman said:
fhwong said:
One could argue that a 2.5 is easier to sell as they are cheaper and more people can afford them so the market is larger.
But yes when I was looking at a 2.5 what worried me was the lack of LSD and ECU problems.
Make sure it has AC. I have mine on nearly all the time as it gets hot in there with the engine behind you!
do the tunnel mod mateBut yes when I was looking at a 2.5 what worried me was the lack of LSD and ECU problems.
Make sure it has AC. I have mine on nearly all the time as it gets hot in there with the engine behind you!
zacey boy said:
thats great mgbond, I know this sounds really cheacky but would it be possible if you phoned the guy that is selling it and ask him them questions as i'm rubbish at doing it, if i give you his number would that be possible?
Would be really greatfull
You seem to know alot about them and need some expertiese on it.
Yeah, don't have an issue with that. is it a private car?Would be really greatfull
You seem to know alot about them and need some expertiese on it.
Bondy
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