Dead battery! Need advice asap
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Hi. Went to start the car just now. Nothing, just cranking. Its a 360 and only been left for 6 days. Left it a couple of weeks before with no problems. Anyway because its only 4 months since I bought it from Maranello, I do have a warranty and roadside assistance with ferrari. Thing is, just called them and they want to take the car back to Maranello for inspection! Its just a flat battery surely? Anyway urgent question is, can I get this sorted myself. Halfords battery for example. Or the AA. I don't have a problem with Ferrari sorting it, just worried that they will charge over the odds for what is essentially a battery!
Thanks
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360's usually flatten the battery in 6 to 10 days, you need to keep them on an optimate (connected behind the passenger seat) if your not using it very regulary.
New battery if the existing one doesn't come back but the main issue is that the car will drain the alarm siren battery as soon as the car battery is flat, some people have replaced the battey in the siren unit but success seems to be about 1 in 3, Alarm sirens are around £200. so the sooner you keep the car on a battery conditioner the better.
New battery if the existing one doesn't come back but the main issue is that the car will drain the alarm siren battery as soon as the car battery is flat, some people have replaced the battey in the siren unit but success seems to be about 1 in 3, Alarm sirens are around £200. so the sooner you keep the car on a battery conditioner the better.
Ferrari (unreal?) were the cheapest place to the battery 'like for like' in my 360, Im sure its a 'Fraam'. My battery died after the first Winter.
Couple of points to note.
1) The second battery (identical to the first) has never been a problem since as I use a battery conditioner as described above with a permanent flying lead with a quick connect (normally supplied with the charger).
2) You can get cheaper battery units but the one fitted by Ferrari is designed for cars that hurtle along the roads and Im sure its gel filled so it does not piss acid on your birds feet!
Cheers.
Couple of points to note.
1) The second battery (identical to the first) has never been a problem since as I use a battery conditioner as described above with a permanent flying lead with a quick connect (normally supplied with the charger).
2) You can get cheaper battery units but the one fitted by Ferrari is designed for cars that hurtle along the roads and Im sure its gel filled so it does not piss acid on your birds feet!
Cheers.
Yes the batteries go dead in 6 days and yes you need an Optimate tender. I have the lead coming out in the passenger footwell. You hardly see it. I persisted with a fag lighter connection for a year, but it was a hit or miss connection. Doubt it would ever light a fag. I put in an Odyssey gel battery a couple of months ago because my last battery didnt last 24 months. The odyssey (part no ELA00925MJT) is considerably smaller, lighter and more expensive than the original but packs a greater punch and does not mind lower temperatures. You need to do a wee bit of work to fit it, mine is held in with the new costco bungee's, it doesnt budge.
I have just had a problem with mine, the cause was a door lock draining it, once the gel battery is flat it won't recover so its a new one,I had a new one fitted earlier in the year turns out it was my tracker battery that was draining that one so its the second this year! you can easily fit it yourself but be careful as if you short it out with the body the airbags will go off..so I was told by ferrari man.
If you want to get technical, too much quiescant current, usualy thats down to aftermarket electronics which don't have to pass the sub 1mA quescant spec that OE parts do, ie Trackers, Alarms (the UK standard Alarm is an aftermarket item) etc.
Now more things are incorporated into the main body control ECU like the alarm / immobiliser they are designed to proper OEM specs and drain much less.
Now more things are incorporated into the main body control ECU like the alarm / immobiliser they are designed to proper OEM specs and drain much less.
bertie said:
If you want to get technical, too much quiescant current, usualy thats down to aftermarket electronics which don't have to pass the sub 1mA quescant spec that OE parts do, ie Trackers, Alarms (the UK standard Alarm is an aftermarket item) etc.
Now more things are incorporated into the main body control ECU like the alarm / immobiliser they are designed to proper OEM specs and drain much less.
that's what I thought. That and gremlins. Now more things are incorporated into the main body control ECU like the alarm / immobiliser they are designed to proper OEM specs and drain much less.
kryten22uk said:
bertie said:
If you want to get technical, too much quiescant current, usualy thats down to aftermarket electronics which don't have to pass the sub 1mA quescant spec that OE parts do, ie Trackers, Alarms (the UK standard Alarm is an aftermarket item) etc.
Now more things are incorporated into the main body control ECU like the alarm / immobiliser they are designed to proper OEM specs and drain much less.
that's what I thought. That and gremlins. Now more things are incorporated into the main body control ECU like the alarm / immobiliser they are designed to proper OEM specs and drain much less.
But the fairies only come out at night!
Edited by bertie on Thursday 24th September 19:54
for what its worth - here is what happened on my 430:
flat battery after a few days, drainage was 0.7 amps. changed the tracker unit and now its 9ma. Meantime i bought an optimate red top battery that i couldnt get to fit -slightly too high (so if anyone wants a new optimate battery then let me know)
original battery is fiamm ecoforce - i didnt think it was gel tho. Anyhow to recharge you will need a charger not a ctek conditioner - halfords do some good chargers by Ring. mine is now living on its ctek just in case. new battery from ferrari was 180 or so. battery fitting by ferrari 3 hours labour - ive done it myself 3 times now in 15 mins.
common fault on 360 is the navtrak battery back up. on 430 there should be no drain from the car after certain time, newer navtrak units are different apparently.
original battery has recharged ok so now i have 2 which is reassuring. If anyone is interested in the optimate one its a optima redtop 4.2 (reverse polarity) cost 149.
flat battery after a few days, drainage was 0.7 amps. changed the tracker unit and now its 9ma. Meantime i bought an optimate red top battery that i couldnt get to fit -slightly too high (so if anyone wants a new optimate battery then let me know)
original battery is fiamm ecoforce - i didnt think it was gel tho. Anyhow to recharge you will need a charger not a ctek conditioner - halfords do some good chargers by Ring. mine is now living on its ctek just in case. new battery from ferrari was 180 or so. battery fitting by ferrari 3 hours labour - ive done it myself 3 times now in 15 mins.
common fault on 360 is the navtrak battery back up. on 430 there should be no drain from the car after certain time, newer navtrak units are different apparently.
original battery has recharged ok so now i have 2 which is reassuring. If anyone is interested in the optimate one its a optima redtop 4.2 (reverse polarity) cost 149.
andy355 said:
for what its worth - here is what happened on my 430:
flat battery after a few days, drainage was 0.7 amps. changed the tracker unit and now its 9ma.
0.7A flat battery after a few days, drainage was 0.7 amps. changed the tracker unit and now its 9ma.
No wonder!Even 9mA is very high, standard OEM practice is to be under 1mA for the whole vehicle once everything has entered full sleep mode.
This can often take quite a while, on one vehicle we are doing some work on it takes 12 minutes for the whole network to go to sleep.
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