Was this robbery planned on PH ?

[sneijder]

Please accept standard pre-apologies in the event of repostage, however :

This is all over the news over here now :

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8270619.stm

In a nutshell, robbers place a suspicious package near the police chopper, fly a stolen helicopter to a G4S depot and make of with the equivalent of 100 million GBP in cash. The helicopter took 3 hours to cover 30 miles so it's dropped cash all over the place, and been allowed to do this as the police chopper is grounded.

The Swedish police claim this type of helicopter needs a degree of military training and if the perp is local, claim there are around 100 suspects.

However last time there was a big job they pulled in Eastern European types.

I seem to remember a thread/s a few months ago plotting the ideal getaway after a big score.

It seems this mob have cracked it.

Of course stealing huge amounts of cash is wrong, but if the police and G4S are as numb as they are here in Norway, the crims have a fair chance methinks.

Swedish Aftonposten : http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article5841868.a...

[Maxf]

Textbook!

[wakster]

I know it's wrong and very working class of me, but I really do like it when people beat the system.

I know I'm going to get torn a new arse by people who are better than me but I was really impressed at the recent jewel robbery, I don't care that ronnie biggs is out (In fact I was glad to see someone looking so happy)and I was impressed at the securicor or similar robbery a couple of years ago.

That is all.

[Arese]

Wowzers. Makes you wonder doesn't it? How tempting would it be, if someone said 'Here, fly this helicopter for us whilst we rob this place, we'll give you £20m for your troubles'?

[Flippin' Kipper]

Arese said:

Wowzers. Makes you wonder doesn't it? How tempting would it be, if someone said 'Here, fly this helicopter for us whilst we rob this place, we'll give you £20m for your troubles'?

Or kill you...but yea, would have to be considered. How much would you have to steal (and stow away) to serve say 10 - 15 years in prison?

Also why do people rob takeaways and such with guns, may as well go for it big and rob enough to last a lifetime.

[deevlash]

wakster said:

I know it's wrong and very working class of me, but I really do like it when people beat the system.

I know I'm going to get torn a new arse by people who are better than me but I was really impressed at the recent jewel robbery, I don't care that ronnie biggs is out (In fact I was glad to see someone looking so happy)and I was impressed at the securicor or similar robbery a couple of years ago.

That is all.

you know Lee Murray (the alledged mastermind of the securitas heist) is going to stand trial for that in morrocco now? He's been banged up there for drugs and has pissed away his UFC career by doing that job, if the UK police ever get his ass back in the UK (he's half morrocan and they wont extradite a citizen) he's going away for a long time as most of the gang rolled on him ages ago. Plus theyve got rakes of mobile phone chat from him about it too.

The gang ditched most of the money too. All in all its ruined his life and the poor depot manager and his family who were kidnapped probably werent too happy at the time either. Beating the system and cops is one thing, putting innocents in fear of their lives is another.

[sstein]

wakster said:

I know it's wrong and very working class of me, but I really do like it when people beat the system.

I know I'm going to get torn a new arse by people who are better than me but I was really impressed at the recent jewel robbery, I don't care that ronnie biggs is out (In fact I was glad to see someone looking so happy)and I was impressed at the securicor or similar robbery a couple of years ago.

That is all.

I think you can appreciate the planning and execution, the people who committed the robbery are still thieving scum though. Clever thieving scum, but scum none the less.

[Arese]

Flippin' Kipper said:

How much would you have to steal (and stow away) to serve say 10 - 15 years in prison?

Hmm. Well I'm 33 now, so to get banged up until I'm 48 I would need a lot of money. £30m? Can my family have half of it until I get out?

[cazzer]

I've always worked on the proviso that if no-one is hurt and no-one is put in fear of life and limb then good on em.
Hitting a train driver over the head with an iron bar no.
Swinging down from the ceiling on wires and stealing the Pink Panther diamond is another.
Especially if you leave a monogrammed glove behind

[lauda]

wakster said:

I know it's wrong and very working class of me, but I really do like it when people beat the system.

I know I'm going to get torn a new arse by people who are better than me but I was really impressed at the recent jewel robbery, I don't care that ronnie biggs is out (In fact I was glad to see someone looking so happy)and I was impressed at the securicor or similar robbery a couple of years ago.

That is all.

The trouble is that there is no such thing as a victimless crime. Most stuff that gets nicked is insured in some way and therefore the insurance company has to pay out when there is a theft.

The cost of that claim then gets passed back to all other customers of that insurer via higher premiums. If companies have to pay higher insurance premiums they pass that back to their customers via an increase in the cost of their product, we pay more in the shops and so on.

It's like these parasites that successfully sue companies or local councils for their own stupidity like stubbing their toe on a wonky paving slab. They think they're getting something for nothing but the money that settles their claim isn't just produced from thin air. It's paid for by an increase in the price of the goods that we buy or the taxes that we pay. Same goes for crime.

So be happy for them, by all means, you've every right since you're paying for it!

[maix27]

Arese said:

Flippin' Kipper said:

How much would you have to steal (and stow away) to serve say 10 - 15 years in prison?

Hmm. Well I'm 33 now, so to get banged up until I'm 48 I would need a lot of money. £30m? Can my family have half of it until I get out?

nope, they only get SPAM until you come out.

[maix27]

lauda said:

wakster said:

I know it's wrong and very working class of me, but I really do like it when people beat the system.

I know I'm going to get torn a new arse by people who are better than me but I was really impressed at the recent jewel robbery, I don't care that ronnie biggs is out (In fact I was glad to see someone looking so happy)and I was impressed at the securicor or similar robbery a couple of years ago.

That is all.

The trouble is that there is no such thing as a victimless crime. Most stuff that gets nicked is insured in some way and therefore the insurance company has to pay out when there is a theft.

The cost of that claim then gets passed back to all other customers of that insurer via higher premiums. If companies have to pay higher insurance premiums they pass that back to their customers via an increase in the cost of their product, we pay more in the shops and so on.

It's like these parasites that successfully sue companies or local councils for their own stupidity like stubbing their toe on a wonky paving slab. They think they're getting something for nothing but the money that settles their claim isn't just produced from thin air. It's paid for by an increase in the price of the goods that we buy or the taxes that we pay. Same goes for crime.

So be happy for them, by all means, you've every right since you're paying for it!

I've always thought that if crime is clever enough then i've got respect for whoever's done it and they deserve their ill gotten gains.

Look at all the other people who pray on innocents in society with little or no concern for less well-off people's welfare. Anyone who runs a pension fund for a kick off...

You can add the government to that list too, they rob us blind every day IMHO.

Edited by maix27 on Wednesday 23 September 18:36

[lauda]

maix27 said:

I've always thought that if crime is clever enough then i've got respect for whoever's done it and they deserve their ill gotten gains.

Look at all the other people who pray on innocents in society with little or no concern for less well-off people's welfare. Anyone who runs a pension fund for a kick off...

You can add the government to that list too, they rob us blind every day IMHO.

Edited by maix27 on Wednesday 23 September 18:36

I think it's possible to respect the ingenuity of some of the crimes that get committed but it's another thing altogether to suggest that just because a crime is well thought-out means that the person who perpetrates it is somehow entitled to the gain as a result.

Taking something that isn't yours and hasn't been willingly given to you by someone else deserves punishment. Simple as. That's a fundamental cornerstone of any society. Criminal mastermind or street thug, the principle remains the same.

Interesting that you should mention pension funds since I work in the industry. Despite the bad press that they seem to be getting at the moment, I'd give my right arm to be a member of some the occupational schemes that I work with. They're not all bad!

[cazzer]

lauda said:

Taking something that isn't yours and hasn't been willingly given to you by someone else deserves punishment. Simple as. That's a fundamental cornerstone of any society. Criminal mastermind or street thug, the principle remains the same.

That would be income tax then?

[jamoor]

I wonder how long it would have taken the Swedish military to get a chopper to chase the theives?

[sneijder]

The news is now saying the gang rang to claim there were bombs in the two police helicopters, the police had to clear this first and it took far too long.

The regular Police were on scene when it was all going on, but 15 minutes later when the flying squad got there it was all over.

[Gnits]

No such thing as a victimless crime?
Interesting idea.
Imagine I steal one penny from someone who never notices, ever. Perhaps it is down the back of a sofa they throw out the next day or something. They will never ever know or miss that penny yet I commited a crime - they cannot be a victim if no-one is ever aware it has ever happened surely?
Extreme example obviously, to illustrate the point.

[Fatboy]

lauda said:

maix27 said:

I've always thought that if crime is clever enough then i've got respect for whoever's done it and they deserve their ill gotten gains.

Look at all the other people who pray on innocents in society with little or no concern for less well-off people's welfare. Anyone who runs a pension fund for a kick off...

You can add the government to that list too, they rob us blind every day IMHO.

Edited by maix27 on Wednesday 23 September 18:36

I think it's possible to respect the ingenuity of some of the crimes that get committed but it's another thing altogether to suggest that just because a crime is well thought-out means that the person who perpetrates it is somehow entitled to the gain as a result.

Taking something that isn't yours and hasn't been willingly given to you by someone else deserves punishment. Simple as. That's a fundamental cornerstone of any society. Criminal mastermind or street thug, the principle remains the same.

Interesting that you should mention pension funds since I work in the industry. Despite the bad press that they seem to be getting at the moment, I'd give my right arm to be a member of some the occupational schemes that I work with. They're not all bad!

Occupational schemes where the employers sticks in a lot of cash on top, and has to top it up regularly yes, they are good (won't be around much longer though, not unless life expectancy drops sharply).
Schemes where you rely on the people 'managing' the fund to actually make money on it to get you more than a laughable return at the end of it, no, they are universally awful in my experience. I couoldn't believe the cretins running my Mum's actually had the gall to send out their last letter stating how it was performing 'below previous forecasts'...

[CRA2Y]

On the subject of things discussed on PH later becomming fact, a friend recently asked me (hyperthetically) how I'd cause an impressive 911 style outrage. After thinking abour it for about a minute, I suggested that (assuming you had some Al'Kaeda resources) you'd rent office space in the corner of a mid height floor of a major financial skyscraper, then every day take a briefcase full of Semtex to work. After a few months you'd have an office that was largely a lump of explosive. Then I suggested that the wall facing inwards be a solid wall of ballbearings in bags (delivered conveniently by UPS). After about 6 months, detonate them all simultaneously by remote and watch them fall.

So, lets see if this idea catches on

[Nickyboy]

Somethings not right there, firstly the chopper looks very much like a Bell JetRanger, hardly need military training to fly one as its one of the most common choppers.

And £100m in cash? Is someone in dream world? The Securitas depot raid in this country took £50m ish and a 7.5 tonner to carry it, how on earth did they manage to squeeze in in a chopper???