Confusing signage
Discussion
Anyone here familiar with the A4147 between Hemel and St Albans? Noticed some odd speed limit signage as you get to the small roundabout by Verulam Park.
The road is a single carriageway NSL, but when you get to the roundabout there's a 40 limit sign AND an NSL sign on the same post. What does that mean for crying out loud?! What, legally, would be the limit, and what does that do for any subsequent 40 repeaters further along the road? I have a feeling there are a few cameras further along that stretch as well, so if you were to be flashed by a Gatso set to enforce a 40 limit, yet the entry to that limit also had an NSL sign, where would you stand?
This is more confusing than the Big Bang thread!
The road is a single carriageway NSL, but when you get to the roundabout there's a 40 limit sign AND an NSL sign on the same post. What does that mean for crying out loud?! What, legally, would be the limit, and what does that do for any subsequent 40 repeaters further along the road? I have a feeling there are a few cameras further along that stretch as well, so if you were to be flashed by a Gatso set to enforce a 40 limit, yet the entry to that limit also had an NSL sign, where would you stand?
This is more confusing than the Big Bang thread!
thub said:
Sounds like some friendly local twisted one of the signs around.
Quite possibly, but surely until the NSL sign was untwisted, the 40 limit would be unenforceable? Does the local authority (Hertsmere or Dacorum council) have a duty of care to ensure all road signs are legally displayed?
hornet said:I believe they do - otherwise who does? It could be the highways authority depending on who is supposed to maintain the road.
Sounds like some friendly local twisted one of the signs around.
Quite possibly, but surely until the NSL sign was untwisted, the 40 limit would be unenforceable? Does the local authority (Hertsmere or Dacorum council) have a duty of care to ensure all road signs are legally displayed?
Any confusing signage means that a limit is unenforceable so the national limit applies. However, you would have to prove in court that the signage was confusing on the date of any offence. This would needed dated photos etc as the council/highways is liekly to have fixed it by the time you get to court. Also, if you have passed any repeater signs it is unlikely that you could make the case stand unless the repeaters were incorrect or similarly confusing.
icamm said:
Any confusing signage means that a limit is unenforceable so the national limit applies. However, you would have to prove in court that the signage was confusing on the date of any offence. This would needed dated photos etc as the council/highways is liekly to have fixed it by the time you get to court. Also, if you have passed any repeater signs it is unlikely that you could make the case stand unless the repeaters were incorrect or similarly confusing.
Surely a repeater isn't valid if you have conflicting signs at the start of the limit though? Might cruise over there at the weekend and take a picture. Be interesting to see how long it stays like it.
Strange, but since I found this site, I find myself noticing more and more bad signs, broken yellow lines and suchlike. Amazing how much stuff out there is either illegal or just downright shoddy.
The more I think about it, the more sense it makes to have a disposable camera in the car at all times...
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