Discussion
Chaps,
A quickie.
I have read mention on here of ANPR vans. I understand that these are clever little devices that read the numberplates of passing vehicles and compare them with databases of vehicles with insurance policies and MOT certificates and road tax and so on. But what happens when someone drives his waggon past one of these and is lacking some vital documentation? Does a BiB pop out from behind the van and apprehend Mr Scrote, or is Mr Scrote allowed to drive on? If he is, then what happens next? Presumably the BiB's pay Mr Scrote a house call and ask some questions.
From this, a couple of other questions. What if Mr Scrote is then involved in an accident, before the BiB's go to see him? Can it be argued in court that the police knew that this vehicle was uninsured but did nothing about it? Would/could this be a basis for complaint against the local force?
Another question - to which I fully expect the answer to be a short burst of dry laughter. What (if anything) do these ANPR vans do about vehicles which are not registered to a legal owner/address? Nothing, I guess. Therefore, our friend Mr Scrote can still sleep soundly at night knowing that nothing nasty may come his way - non?
Oli.
A quickie.
I have read mention on here of ANPR vans. I understand that these are clever little devices that read the numberplates of passing vehicles and compare them with databases of vehicles with insurance policies and MOT certificates and road tax and so on. But what happens when someone drives his waggon past one of these and is lacking some vital documentation? Does a BiB pop out from behind the van and apprehend Mr Scrote, or is Mr Scrote allowed to drive on? If he is, then what happens next? Presumably the BiB's pay Mr Scrote a house call and ask some questions.
From this, a couple of other questions. What if Mr Scrote is then involved in an accident, before the BiB's go to see him? Can it be argued in court that the police knew that this vehicle was uninsured but did nothing about it? Would/could this be a basis for complaint against the local force?
Another question - to which I fully expect the answer to be a short burst of dry laughter. What (if anything) do these ANPR vans do about vehicles which are not registered to a legal owner/address? Nothing, I guess. Therefore, our friend Mr Scrote can still sleep soundly at night knowing that nothing nasty may come his way - non?
Oli.
zcacogp said:
Another question - to which I fully expect the answer to be a short burst of dry laughter. What (if anything) do these ANPR vans do about vehicles which are not registered to a legal owner/address? Nothing, I guess. Therefore, our friend Mr Scrote can still sleep soundly at night knowing that nothing nasty may come his way - non?
Indeed... from the same school of thought as the American immigration officials who think terrorist suspect are big Arabs with bushy beards, sunglasses and passports in the name of "O Bin Laden"
Chris
I think it will flag up ONLY if this "previous" owner has informed the DVLA that it's no longer in their name. Otherwise nothing.
I bought a car back in October, I filled in my details on the V5 left the seller to send it off (as your supposed to) about two months later nothing in post. So rang up seller, he could'nt remember posting it.
Anyway I checked with DVLA if it was still in his name, (they only tell you if it's in your name) so I had to fill out a form for a new V5.
I think the database cross ref's the Car Owner/Insurance not Car/Insurance can someone enlighten us?
I bought a car back in October, I filled in my details on the V5 left the seller to send it off (as your supposed to) about two months later nothing in post. So rang up seller, he could'nt remember posting it.
Anyway I checked with DVLA if it was still in his name, (they only tell you if it's in your name) so I had to fill out a form for a new V5.
I think the database cross ref's the Car Owner/Insurance not Car/Insurance can someone enlighten us?
zcacogp said:
Chaps,
A quickie.
I have read mention on here of ANPR vans. I understand that these are clever little devices that read the numberplates of passing vehicles and compare them with databases of vehicles with insurance policies and MOT certificates and road tax and so on. But what happens when someone drives his waggon past one of these and is lacking some vital documentation? Does a BiB pop out from behind the van and apprehend Mr Scrote, or is Mr Scrote allowed to drive on? If he is, then what happens next? Presumably the BiB's pay Mr Scrote a house call and ask some questions.
From this, a couple of other questions. What if Mr Scrote is then involved in an accident, before the BiB's go to see him? Can it be argued in court that the police knew that this vehicle was uninsured but did nothing about it? Would/could this be a basis for complaint against the local force?
Another question - to which I fully expect the answer to be a short burst of dry laughter. What (if anything) do these ANPR vans do about vehicles which are not registered to a legal owner/address? Nothing, I guess. Therefore, our friend Mr Scrote can still sleep soundly at night knowing that nothing nasty may come his way - non?
Oli.
ANPR vans always have chase teams a way down the road so any vehicle which causes a warning beep in the ANPR van is spotted before it reaches the van and the chase teams are alerted. They then stop the vehicle.
Tafia,
Ah, sounds a little bit more workable.
But only one chase team? Probably why I have yet to see an ANPR in my area (East London). If they did, they would need relays of such chase teams, several dozen at least. In the time it would take to "Process" one offender (what do they do to such people, BTW? Drag them from the car and give 'em a good hiding?
) another several dozen will have driven past ...
Oli.
Ah, sounds a little bit more workable.
But only one chase team? Probably why I have yet to see an ANPR in my area (East London). If they did, they would need relays of such chase teams, several dozen at least. In the time it would take to "Process" one offender (what do they do to such people, BTW? Drag them from the car and give 'em a good hiding?
) another several dozen will have driven past ... Oli.
chrishillcoat said:
Indeed... from the same school of thought as the American immigration officials who think terrorist suspect are big Arabs with bushy beards, sunglasses and passports in the name of "O Bin Laden"
Chris
Oh come on - That is a bit of a cheap shot.
They also rely on honesty:
"Are you a terrorist"
"Do you plan to cary out terrorist activities whils in the United States....."
There screening is fairly rigorous.
Tafia said:
ANPR vans always have chase teams a way down the road so any vehicle which causes a warning beep in the ANPR van is spotted before it reaches the van and the chase teams are alerted. They then stop the vehicle.
My route home from work goes through some less salubrious areas and in the run up to Christmas there was an ANPR van at the same spot most days with three TrafPol T5s hanging around. (This was just down the road from where the missus's Chimaera got rear-ended by a scrote in an unregistered sh!t-heap
.) But you'd think that word would get around and the scrotes would just avoid that road...They tend to put ANPR vans on the bridges in central London on quite a regular basis; the van is on one side of the bridge, and the "chase" cars are on the other. Quite a neat idea really - once you're on the bridge you have no way to get off it. They also tend to hit several bridges at the same time so the scroates can't just avoid them. Last time I saw them they covered Tower Bridge, Southwark Bridge, Blackfriars Bridge, and Lambeth Bridge - ie all the crossings over the Thames in about a five mile stretch - on the same morning.
Mr 944,
I was thinking more about targeting the 10-year-old BMWs with blacked-out windows, and utterly beaten-up clapped-out Toyota Corollas which I see alot of around the Bow/Mile End area. And I doubt that such people go further than about 3 miles from their house - just hang around the local area.
If there was to be an ANPR on the Mile End Road for a couple of hours one weekday evening I personally would probably buy the guy operating it a box of chocolates. (Having been caught twice by uninsured drivers in this part of town in the last 3 years, I would love to see something done about it.)
Ah well, it'll all be sorted out come the revolution ....
Oli.
I was thinking more about targeting the 10-year-old BMWs with blacked-out windows, and utterly beaten-up clapped-out Toyota Corollas which I see alot of around the Bow/Mile End area. And I doubt that such people go further than about 3 miles from their house - just hang around the local area.
If there was to be an ANPR on the Mile End Road for a couple of hours one weekday evening I personally would probably buy the guy operating it a box of chocolates. (Having been caught twice by uninsured drivers in this part of town in the last 3 years, I would love to see something done about it.)
Ah well, it'll all be sorted out come the revolution ....
Oli.
Mr 944,
Sounds like you live pretty close - I'm up just beyond Bow Road tube, very near the bus garage. And yes, hit once from behind by a blacked-out-BMW 3 years ago, and once by a battered old Mazda 9 months ago. Guess what - neither of them had insurance! Quite why the BiB don't do something about people driving without tax/insurance/MOT in our area is beyond me, as it would be like shooting fish in a barrel. Surely one of the easiest crimes to detect and do something about - it would make their clear-up rates look pretty good. (As well as getting them free chocolates!)
I have been told that 1 in 3 cars in London is uninsured - not sure if this is true or not. If it is, I would think that the rate in our area must be nearer 1 in 2. (Or, judging from my experience, all of them apart from mine!)
Oli.
>> Edited lots by zcacogp due to incompentence
>> Edited by zcacogp on Friday 9th January 13:15
Sounds like you live pretty close - I'm up just beyond Bow Road tube, very near the bus garage. And yes, hit once from behind by a blacked-out-BMW 3 years ago, and once by a battered old Mazda 9 months ago. Guess what - neither of them had insurance! Quite why the BiB don't do something about people driving without tax/insurance/MOT in our area is beyond me, as it would be like shooting fish in a barrel. Surely one of the easiest crimes to detect and do something about - it would make their clear-up rates look pretty good. (As well as getting them free chocolates!)
I have been told that 1 in 3 cars in London is uninsured - not sure if this is true or not. If it is, I would think that the rate in our area must be nearer 1 in 2. (Or, judging from my experience, all of them apart from mine!)
Oli.
>> Edited lots by zcacogp due to incompentence
>> Edited by zcacogp on Friday 9th January 13:15
zcacogp said:
Tafia,
Ah, sounds a little bit more workable.
But only one chase team? Probably why I have yet to see an ANPR in my area (East London). If they did, they would need relays of such chase teams, several dozen at least. In the time it would take to "Process" one offender (what do they do to such people, BTW? Drag them from the car and give 'em a good hiding?
Oli.
Well the chase teams I have seen usually consist of a few cars and a couple of motorcycle cops. Seems to work for them.
The local favourite spot for ANPR checks in our part of the world comprises.
1) Van with cameras deployed.
2) Some way after a layby full of foot b-i-b who have been transported there in a couple of vans. The vans then double as scrote holding pens & transport for a nice little chat with the custody sarge.
3) At the next island 100yds after layby at least two chase cars plus two bikes to get those who fail to stop when asked by the foot b-i-b in the layby. Regardless of any other offence at least they are then nicked for a fail to stop. he he he
All in all a quite professional operation if I may say so.
1) Van with cameras deployed.
2) Some way after a layby full of foot b-i-b who have been transported there in a couple of vans. The vans then double as scrote holding pens & transport for a nice little chat with the custody sarge.
3) At the next island 100yds after layby at least two chase cars plus two bikes to get those who fail to stop when asked by the foot b-i-b in the layby. Regardless of any other offence at least they are then nicked for a fail to stop. he he he
All in all a quite professional operation if I may say so.
Thanks for all the observations.
If this is the case (that there is some good, professional policing getting to grips with the problems of scrotes who cannot/will not register/insure/MOT their waggons) then I am heartily glad to hear it. I await with baited breath the day that they start to do something similar in my area.
Have to say, this is one area in which the proper use of technology for policing meets with my approval. Without index-linked databases, this sort of exercise wouldn't be possible. This is a black-and-white situation where either you have the right bits of paper or you don't. No grey areas. No discretion required on behalf of the BiB. (Am I sounding too fundamentalist/Branstrum-esque? Hope not.) And yet, this is the area where tbe BiB is out in person.
Sorry, I'll stop rambling ...
Oli.
PS. If the BiB do have ANPR units fitted in their cars, they will either have to ignore a large number of bleeps or put up with making very slow forward progress in some areas ...
If this is the case (that there is some good, professional policing getting to grips with the problems of scrotes who cannot/will not register/insure/MOT their waggons) then I am heartily glad to hear it. I await with baited breath the day that they start to do something similar in my area.
Have to say, this is one area in which the proper use of technology for policing meets with my approval. Without index-linked databases, this sort of exercise wouldn't be possible. This is a black-and-white situation where either you have the right bits of paper or you don't. No grey areas. No discretion required on behalf of the BiB. (Am I sounding too fundamentalist/Branstrum-esque? Hope not.) And yet, this is the area where tbe BiB is out in person.
Sorry, I'll stop rambling ...
Oli.
PS. If the BiB do have ANPR units fitted in their cars, they will either have to ignore a large number of bleeps or put up with making very slow forward progress in some areas ...
anonymous said:
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Yes, now that is a funny notion, isn't it? Why should nicking scrotes cost political credence? I'm not disagreeing, I think your comment is gloriously accurate.
Perhaps something to do with the fact that those scrotes are the ones who got the current administration into power, and therefore B.liar doesn't want to upset them. More typically spineless behaviour from a spineless government.
Oli.
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