Anyone else concerned about Todt and the FIA job?
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Yep. Don't forget that the recently resigned concorde agreement runs out in 2012 for all the teams. This would be the ideal time to form a breakaway series. They have a decent amount of time to get it set out.
If, on a pure flight of fancy, Napoleon didn't get in and Ari did, I don't think the teams would even think about breaking away. Not with what Vatannen was suggesting.
If, on a pure flight of fancy, Napoleon didn't get in and Ari did, I don't think the teams would even think about breaking away. Not with what Vatannen was suggesting.
motormania said:
I really do feel that Ari will get the job.
The fact that both The Spank and The Midget hhave publically endorsed the toad, I think most will vote for Ari in private...
Well here's hoping anyway!
I too hope that we get a Balestre situation. But I wouldn't put it past Max to rig the voting.The fact that both The Spank and The Midget hhave publically endorsed the toad, I think most will vote for Ari in private...
Well here's hoping anyway!
motormania said:
I really do feel that Ari will get the job.
The fact that both The Spank and The Midget hhave publically endorsed the toad, I think most will vote for Ari in private...
Well here's hoping anyway!
Just how "private" do you think the voting will be though? I'm concerned that all of the leaks in the recent Renault case were a warning from Spanky that things do get leaked and everyone might see who's voted for who. Obviously if you've not voted the way Spanky / Toad would have liked you may then find yourself out of a rather comfortable job...The fact that both The Spank and The Midget hhave publically endorsed the toad, I think most will vote for Ari in private...
Well here's hoping anyway!
Why are the FIA and Bernie Eccelstone favouring Todt?
Surely it can't be because they want a biased leader, because the FIA doesn't appear to be biased towards any F1 team at the moment.
They (especially Bernie) obviously fear Ari Vatannen for some reason, but I can't work out what exactly.
Surely it can't be because they want a biased leader, because the FIA doesn't appear to be biased towards any F1 team at the moment.
They (especially Bernie) obviously fear Ari Vatannen for some reason, but I can't work out what exactly.
Edited by Get Karter on Tuesday 29th September 12:20
IainT said:
Jury surely has to be out on this?
I prefer Ari, he's amore likeable character, but he's definately not got the experience in the same way of leading a team as Todt has. If Todt can put his team history behind him he could be very good for the FIA and F1.
It depends if you would like Mosley to effectivly stay on?I prefer Ari, he's amore likeable character, but he's definately not got the experience in the same way of leading a team as Todt has. If Todt can put his team history behind him he could be very good for the FIA and F1.
Get Karter said:
Why are the FIA and Bernie Eccelstone favouring Todt?
Surely it can't be because they want a biased leader, because the FIA doesn't appear to be biased towards any F1 team at the moment.
They (especially Bernie) obviously fear Ari Vatannen for some reason, but I can't work out what exactly.
to the first question, because he will maintain the status quo, and the behind closed doors operation of the FIA has become quite cosy to those involved.Surely it can't be because they want a biased leader, because the FIA doesn't appear to be biased towards any F1 team at the moment.
They (especially Bernie) obviously fear Ari Vatannen for some reason, but I can't work out what exactly.
ari will bring real change to the FIA, making it totally open and transparent. do you think the FIA members or bernie actually want any kind of accountability to the sport suddenly!? ari has publicly said that many things that have happened and decisions made by the FIA that have been well dodgy basically (i'm paraphrasing a little) just stopping short of saying that it's corrupt and run by a nutter who now only exists to settle personal scores, also highlighting the deal to the rights of F1, and also mentioning how F1 should not be chasing the dollar, but instead fighting to retain classic circuits with an F1 fan base. it seems quite clear why max and bernie would be quite vocal in their support of anyone but ari.
Project 644 said:
IainT said:
Jury surely has to be out on this?
I prefer Ari, he's amore likeable character, but he's definately not got the experience in the same way of leading a team as Todt has. If Todt can put his team history behind him he could be very good for the FIA and F1.
It depends if you would like Mosley to effectivly stay on?I prefer Ari, he's amore likeable character, but he's definately not got the experience in the same way of leading a team as Todt has. If Todt can put his team history behind him he could be very good for the FIA and F1.
I reiterate - I don't like Todt and would really like to see Ari running things because he's not carrying the same baggage but I don't see JT as being all that bad.
IainT said:
Project 644 said:
IainT said:
Jury surely has to be out on this?
I prefer Ari, he's amore likeable character, but he's definately not got the experience in the same way of leading a team as Todt has. If Todt can put his team history behind him he could be very good for the FIA and F1.
It depends if you would like Mosley to effectivly stay on?I prefer Ari, he's amore likeable character, but he's definately not got the experience in the same way of leading a team as Todt has. If Todt can put his team history behind him he could be very good for the FIA and F1.
I reiterate - I don't like Todt and would really like to see Ari running things because he's not carrying the same baggage but I don't see JT as being all that bad.
The FIA consists mainly of his hand-picked sycophants (or is that sickophants?) and, given his lack of success in anything he's done (including the FIA) he's not going to move on to pastures new. The overwhelming impression I get is that he sees himself as the FIA. It stops and starts with him. If Todt thinks he's going to have an easy ride then he has another think coming.
IainT said:
I reiterate - I don't like Todt and would really like to see Ari running things because he's not carrying the same baggage but I don't see JT as being all that bad.
Todt and his pals are arguing that it is in his nature to be totally commited to the interests of his employer. In the past that was a racing team; at the FIA it would be the FIA and therefore the public.That is theoretically possible. We cannot know for certain that he would be a bad president.
We can, however, make a judgment based on the balance of probabilities.
Todt's been endorsed - nay, aggressively marketed - by Mosley with a fervour that exceeds Michelle Obama's when she campaigned for her husband last year. WTF is that about?
Why is it overwhelmingly important to Mosley that this particular guy succeed him? Why was it so important that Mosley even postponed his retirement for 4 years, because Todt was not yet available for the job?
Sorry, folks, but in the real world it doesn't work that way - unless there is something dodgy going on.
Todt's campaign manager is the repellent Richard Woods, PR hack and Mosley apologist, who has left the FIA job that Mosley gave him to run the Todt election campaign. And the odds that, in the event of a Todt victory, he will be rewarded with another FIA sinecure are...
Todt has spent the year, shall we say, making a considerable number of public-service excursions to far-flung corners in order to pursue his lifelong passion for improving public road safety. These were paid for by the FIA Foundation, and made extensive use of the FIA imprimatur and connections to give Todt publicity in all venues. Any correlation between the choice of far-flung corners and the countries eligible to vote for FIA president would be purely coincidental.
Mosley's primary argument in favour of Todt, and against Vatanen, is been Todt's more extensive management experience.
I'm sorry, but the FIA is not a massive corporation employing hundreds of thousands across many industries around the world. It's a club that sometimes gets involved in politics. That's it.
It is rare that the president or prime minister of a whole country, as in, someone taking on a real job, has had meaningful managerial experience prior to taking office. Why managerial experience should be the decisive criterion for FIA president is not obvious.
So yes, it is true, we cannot today be sure that Todt would be a bad FIA president. We can, however, make an educated guess.
flemke said:
IainT said:
I reiterate - I don't like Todt and would really like to see Ari running things because he's not carrying the same baggage but I don't see JT as being all that bad.
Todt and his pals are arguing that it is in his nature to be totally commited to the interests of his employer. In the past that was a racing team; at the FIA it would be the FIA and therefore the public.That is theoretically possible. We cannot know for certain that he would be a bad president.
We can, however, make a judgment based on the balance of probabilities.
Todt's been endorsed - nay, aggressively marketed - by Mosley with a fervour that exceeds Michelle Obama's when she campaigned for her husband last year. WTF is that about?
Why is it overwhelmingly important to Mosley that this particular guy succeed him? Why was it so important that Mosley even postponed his retirement for 4 years, because Todt was not yet available for the job?
Sorry, folks, but in the real world it doesn't work that way - unless there is something dodgy going on.
Todt's campaign manager is the repellent Richard Woods, PR hack and Mosley apologist, who has left the FIA job that Mosley gave him to run the Todt election campaign. And the odds that, in the event of a Todt victory, he will be rewarded with another FIA sinecure are...
Todt has spent the year, shall we say, making a considerable number of public-service excursions to far-flung corners in order to pursue his lifelong passion for improving public road safety. These were paid for by the FIA Foundation, and made extensive use of the FIA imprimatur and connections to give Todt publicity in all venues. Any correlation between the choice of far-flung corners and the countries eligible to vote for FIA president would be purely coincidental.
Mosley's primary argument in favour of Todt, and against Vatanen, is been Todt's more extensive management experience.
I'm sorry, but the FIA is not a massive corporation employing hundreds of thousands across many industries around the world. It's a club that sometimes gets involved in politics. That's it.
It is rare that the president or prime minister of a whole country, as in, someone taking on a real job, has had meaningful managerial experience prior to taking office. Why managerial experience should be the decisive criterion for FIA president is not obvious.
So yes, it is true, we cannot today be sure that Todt would be a bad FIA president. We can, however, make an educated guess.
I also disagree that Max put off his retirement just because Todt wasn't available to take over the mantle. He didn't go because he likes the taste of power too much and has an overinflated sense of his own importance to the FIA and the world in general.
I can see how there would be questions regarding his potential favouritism of his ex-team. Is that really likely given a number of key difference in teh state of F1 now? Media scrutiny will out any overt or suspicious decisions benefiting Ferarri, FOTA places the relationship between Ferarri, the other teams and the FIA on a very different footing.
I may be remembering this incorrectly but didn't Todt and Ferarri part company with some bad feeling or was that media hype at the time?
That JT will be better than Max is surely a given even though most of us think Ari would be better for F1?
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