Toyota - next to pull the plug
Discussion
No real surprise - but it looks like Toyota are making noises about costs and both Trulli's and Glock's contract renewals are both on hold !
I'm sure they would prefer to stay in F1 since the withdrawl of Honda - but if they ain't selling cars or winning races, you can't see the board justifying another $450million cheque for 2010
http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/...
If they do go it will be another team gone within 12 months of Honda and BMW. I really can't find myself getting at all emotional about not seeing the Toyotas on the grid next year. It will not make any difference to my viewing of a race weekend. I don't even think they will be historically revered. Certainly not compared to Honda in the 60's.
Toyota have two simple problems. one is the main board is Japanese and therefore make decisions by committee....which in motorsport is a disaster. Secondly the factory in Cologne is jst not the place for making F1 cars nor recruiting the best in the industry. No strategy, weak drivers, weak engineering and too many chiefs. Stick to engine supply and enjoy the glory!
TheArchitect said:
Will certainly be a shame but i honestly dont feel they will be missed. they came in expecting to be able to buy there way to the top and failed. they should of invested into a known experienced team like Williams, but then that didn't work for BMW either.
It came very close to working for BMW with Williams. Look at the 2003 season.I hope another team gets the entry if Toyota do go, the grid is far too empty at the moment.
Edited by Merry on Wednesday 30th September 17:55
RDMcG said:
I wonder how the addition of more races in far away places will go as the manufacturers melt away. At some point you have to wonder whether the whole show is viable.
Certainly seems to be viable from where Bernies looking!Edited by Auntieroll on Wednesday 30th September 18:23
Merry said:
TheArchitect said:
Will certainly be a shame but i honestly dont feel they will be missed. they came in expecting to be able to buy there way to the top and failed. they should of invested into a known experienced team like Williams, but then that didn't work for BMW either.
It came very close to working for BMW with Williams. Look at the 2003 season.I hope another team gets the entry if Toyota do go, the grid is far too empty at the moment.
Edited by Merry on Wednesday 30th September 17:55
There have been a number of threads on this,
here's one
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Main clues;
So we have the drivers unsigned for 2010 (but with options)
We have Williams looking for a new engine
Doubt that the Toyota Board will support the F1 Team
And the Fuji Track withdrawn (by Toyota) for the F1 race
here's one
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Main clues;
So we have the drivers unsigned for 2010 (but with options)
We have Williams looking for a new engine
Doubt that the Toyota Board will support the F1 Team
And the Fuji Track withdrawn (by Toyota) for the F1 race
Edited by Flat 1 on Wednesday 30th September 19:46
Auntieroll said:
RDMcG said:
I wonder how the addition of more races in far away places will go as the manufacturers melt away. At some point you have to wonder whether the whole show is viable.
Certainly seems to be viable from where Bernies looking!Bad signs for Toyota
http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/...
"The November 8 announcement was revealed by Germany's Auto Motor und Sport magazine, and the Independent newspaper in Britain also expects that "bad news" could be emanating from Toyota "later in the week".....
Which would be tragedy if we lost Kobayashi
"However, it would be bad news for Kamui Kobayashi, the Japanese F1 rookie who has impressed Toyota with his two races in Brazil and Abu Dhabi.
The 23-year-old told reporters before leaving the Yas Marina Circuit that he has "no budget" to fall back on GP2 in 2010. "I would probably go back to Japan to maybe work with my father in his sushi restaurant, said Kobayashi. "It was like that two months ago."
woof said:
"However, it would be bad news for Kamui Kobayashi, the Japanese F1 rookie who has impressed Toyota with his two races in Brazil and Abu Dhabi.
The 23-year-old told reporters before leaving the Yas Marina Circuit that he has "no budget" to fall back on GP2 in 2010. "I would probably go back to Japan to maybe work with my father in his sushi restaurant, said Kobayashi. "It was like that two months ago."
I would think all the new teams kicking about would be looking at him. Which in turn should help him find a sponsor if he can.The 23-year-old told reporters before leaving the Yas Marina Circuit that he has "no budget" to fall back on GP2 in 2010. "I would probably go back to Japan to maybe work with my father in his sushi restaurant, said Kobayashi. "It was like that two months ago."
Everything seems to fit for a Toyota withdrawal.
Honda have already left, so no loss of face in Japan.
No driver contracts to pay off.
No engine supply deals to worry about.
Sauber waiting in the wings to take the redundant place.
I would be far more surprised if they were on the grid next season, to be honest.
Honda have already left, so no loss of face in Japan.
No driver contracts to pay off.
No engine supply deals to worry about.
Sauber waiting in the wings to take the redundant place.
I would be far more surprised if they were on the grid next season, to be honest.
10 Pence Short said:
Everything seems to fit for a Toyota withdrawal.
Honda have already left, so no loss of face in Japan.
No driver contracts to pay off.
No engine supply deals to worry about.
Sauber waiting in the wings to take the redundant place.
I would be far more surprised if they were on the grid next season, to be honest.
Honda have already left, so no loss of face in Japan.
No driver contracts to pay off.
No engine supply deals to worry about.
Sauber waiting in the wings to take the redundant place.
I would be far more surprised if they were on the grid next season, to be honest.
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