EB110SS Crash

[adam24]

Hi guys,

I came across this, it's certainly not something you see everyday... I take it it's not normal for the drivers door to open upon impact? Looks like quite a big repair bill and must have been terrifying without helmets etc.

http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/601741/1f45484a/gl...

Cheers

[TheStig10]

o dear thats a lot of money gone there

[Rollcage]

Thats an interesting crash - he must either have been driving like a pillock or suffered a failure to crash on that relatively straight bit of road!

Love the vid - totally incomprehensible apart from "Spectacular crash" and "Kazuki Nakajima"!

[Mattymouse33]

Damn, a supersport as well!

[JayKaybi]

[militantmandy]

What was actually happening here? As in why were there various supercars panning round a street track?

[patmahe]

At least it seems no-one was hurt, apart from the door opening it looks like it stood up pretty well to the impact. Still made me wince looking at it though, the cost of that I agree too that it looks like some critical failure or else useless driving.

[Murcielago_Boy]

Don't underestimate how easy it is to lose a very powerful car on even a completely straight road. Get above 500hp in a light-ish car and with your steering wheel dead-straight you can be turned-around in a instant if one of the rear wheels loses traction.
I drove a 620hp F40 years ago (which is already dangerous at it's stock power output) and in the dry, in straight line, the thing was a death trap. Wheelspin at 70mph isn't funny.

[trackdemon]

Murcielago_Boy said:

Get above 500hp in a light-ish car and with your steering wheel dead-straight you can be turned-around in a instant if one of the rear wheels loses traction.

Sorry, but thats just not true. Even if you drop a wheel onto a split mU surface you'll still have a window in which to correct it, if you listen to what the car is telling you. Besides, the EB110 is 4wd so its even less likely that one of the wheels simply lost traction and spat him off - I'd wager either mechanical failure or driver failure.

[Murcielago_Boy]

trackdemon said:

Murcielago_Boy said:

Get above 500hp in a light-ish car and with your steering wheel dead-straight you can be turned-around in a instant if one of the rear wheels loses traction.

Sorry, but thats just not true. Even if you drop a wheel onto a split mU surface you'll still have a window in which to correct it, if you listen to what the car is telling you. Besides, the EB110 is 4wd so its even less likely that one of the wheels simply lost traction and spat him off - I'd wager either mechanical failure or driver failure.

No doubt.
But then you're clearly a much better driver than me. In spite of listening to what the car is telling me, I'd hazard to say for us "mere mortals" it's not quite so easy catch a tuned 620hp F40 after the turbos have blown in and ramped up power by a few hundred brake in a very small rpm range, and sent the car spearing towards a central reservation with no warning.

Someone I know stacked his Enzo massively in the same way. Driving in a straight line (with the stability/TC engaged), burst of torque on the F1 upshift when clutch electronically re-engaged and power was re-applied, caught him out (throttle isn't lifted remember) - hit the central reservation again and then someone in Golf pranged into him to make matters worse.

Perhaps that's not an issue for your skill level but it is for me.

Agree that in a 4wd car that it's pretty much impossible though.


Edited to say: Perhaps not spin car completely (i.e turn around) but to drop a car isn't hard in circumstances above.

Edited by Murcielago_Boy on Friday 2nd October 12:40

Edited by Murcielago_Boy on Friday 2nd October 12:41

Edited by Murcielago_Boy on Friday 2nd October 12:44

[trackdemon]

Murcielago_Boy said:

trackdemon said:

Murcielago_Boy said:

Get above 500hp in a light-ish car and with your steering wheel dead-straight you can be turned-around in a instant if one of the rear wheels loses traction.

Sorry, but thats just not true. Even if you drop a wheel onto a split mU surface you'll still have a window in which to correct it, if you listen to what the car is telling you. Besides, the EB110 is 4wd so its even less likely that one of the wheels simply lost traction and spat him off - I'd wager either mechanical failure or driver failure.

No doubt.
But then you're clearly a much better driver than me. In spite of listening to what the car is telling me, I'd hazard to say for us "mere mortals" it's not quite so easy catch a tuned 620hp F40 after the turbos have blown in and ramped up power by a few hundred brake in a very small rpm range, and sent the car spearing towards a central reservation with no warning.

Someone I know stacked his Enzo massively in the same way. Driving in a straight line (with the stability/TC engaged), burst of torque on the F1 upshift when clutch electronically re-engaged and power was re-applied, caught him out (throttle isn't lifted remember) - hit the central reservation again and then someone in Golf pranged into him to make matters worse.

Perhaps that's not an issue for your skill level but it is for me.

To be fair, a 620bhp F40 is in a different league of 'trickiness' to most other cars. Your post suggested that any lightish 500bhp+ car could turn around in an instant..... I just disagree with that

[Murcielago_Boy]

trackdemon said:

Murcielago_Boy said:

trackdemon said:

Murcielago_Boy said:

Get above 500hp in a light-ish car and with your steering wheel dead-straight you can be turned-around in a instant if one of the rear wheels loses traction.

Sorry, but thats just not true. Even if you drop a wheel onto a split mU surface you'll still have a window in which to correct it, if you listen to what the car is telling you. Besides, the EB110 is 4wd so its even less likely that one of the wheels simply lost traction and spat him off - I'd wager either mechanical failure or driver failure.

No doubt.
But then you're clearly a much better driver than me. In spite of listening to what the car is telling me, I'd hazard to say for us "mere mortals" it's not quite so easy catch a tuned 620hp F40 after the turbos have blown in and ramped up power by a few hundred brake in a very small rpm range, and sent the car spearing towards a central reservation with no warning.

Someone I know stacked his Enzo massively in the same way. Driving in a straight line (with the stability/TC engaged), burst of torque on the F1 upshift when clutch electronically re-engaged and power was re-applied, caught him out (throttle isn't lifted remember) - hit the central reservation again and then someone in Golf pranged into him to make matters worse.

Perhaps that's not an issue for your skill level but it is for me.

To be fair, a 620bhp F40 is in a different league of 'trickiness' to most other cars. Your post suggested that any lightish 500bhp+ car could turn around in an instant..... I just disagree with that

To be fair Trackdemon, I've heard stories about your car control and the crazy slidey stuff you could do with your ol' TVR's so I wasn't being cheeky!

[andyc.]

trackdemon said:

Murcielago_Boy said:

Get above 500hp in a light-ish car and with your steering wheel dead-straight you can be turned-around in a instant if one of the rear wheels loses traction.

Sorry, but thats just not true. Even if you drop a wheel onto a split mU surface you'll still have a window in which to correct it, if you listen to what the car is telling you. Besides, the EB110 is 4wd so its even less likely that one of the wheels simply lost traction and spat him off - I'd wager either mechanical failure or driver failure.

I agree with Murci boy.500hp+ mid engine,twin turbo cars dont take prisoners and dont give any warning at all.You just have to know where the limit is and be reasdy to catch it if you do. Problem is the Limit is always in a different place.
Not sure about the 4wd system and how effective it is on the EB110.

[christer]

Murcielago_Boy said:

Don't underestimate how easy it is to lose a very powerful car on even a completely straight road. Get above 500hp in a light-ish car and with your steering wheel dead-straight you can be turned-around in a instant if one of the rear wheels loses traction.
I drove a 620hp F40 years ago (which is already dangerous at it's stock power output) and in the dry, in straight line, the thing was a death trap. Wheelspin at 70mph isn't funny.

fail

[4rephill]

Ouch!. Was the woman in the passengers seat saying "Hi,does anybody know of a decent Bugatti garage?"

[Mr Gearchange]

From another angle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDcjy6AGKTU&fea...

Looks like mechanical failure - I don't think that it losing traction on a dry sraight road is an issue - it's 4WD right?

ETA - not 4WD on the SS. Still looks like mech failure to me though

Edited by Mr Gearchange on Saturday 3rd October 12:31

[Rollcage]

At 24s in on the vid the Bug can be seen behind the McMerc veering sharply to the left - we cant see enough to say if it was a driver failure or a mechanical one!

[rocksteadyeddie]

DIffering traction if one wheel or one side on the white line perhaps? Although I can't imagine so in the dry...

Still, if the blonde needs comforting I'm free

[militantmandy]

Mr Gearchange said:

From another angle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDcjy6AGKTU&fea...

Looks like mechanical failure - I don't think that it losing traction on a dry sraight road is an issue - it's 4WD right?

ETA - not 4WD on the SS. Still looks like mech failure to me though

Edited by Mr Gearchange on Saturday 3rd October 12:31

I reallt don't think this helps much!

[TIGA84]

Right rear suspension or right rear major tyre failure?