Vatanen 'will lose' FIA election claims Mosley
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Sorry if this has appeared already - but following another link from another thread it lead me (in disbelief) to this:
http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/...
How the hell can this man hold his head up in public. It seems to me that he is sh
ing himself that someone other than a gofer of his might get into power and undo/uncover more of his dodgy dealings - god forbid that someone with some knowledge and care for the SPORT should take over the healm.
The man is a prize pk and I just cant believe he commands any respect / credibility inside or outside of the FIA.
Just stop trying to 'have the last say' - its not a school yard you pathetic c0ck, its a worldwide sporting attraction that millions of people enjoy and many hundreds of people rely upon for their livelihoods (sp?).
So has he just lined the right pockets with enough of Mclarens money to get his pet toad into the hot seat?
http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/...
How the hell can this man hold his head up in public. It seems to me that he is sh
ing himself that someone other than a gofer of his might get into power and undo/uncover more of his dodgy dealings - god forbid that someone with some knowledge and care for the SPORT should take over the healm.The man is a prize p
k and I just cant believe he commands any respect / credibility inside or outside of the FIA. Just stop trying to 'have the last say' - its not a school yard you pathetic c0ck, its a worldwide sporting attraction that millions of people enjoy and many hundreds of people rely upon for their livelihoods (sp?).
So has he just lined the right pockets with enough of Mclarens money to get his pet toad into the hot seat?
Mosely really is a truly odeous man.
I like Ari's style, "if the election is a forgone conclusion there is no need to write such a letter!" very cool and spot on.
The only dues anyone could possibly give to Mosely are that he will do anything to get his way, sadly in much of the business world this is given respect.
It would not be an understatement to say that the future of world motorsport will be decided by this election. Please let it be Vatanen!
I like Ari's style, "if the election is a forgone conclusion there is no need to write such a letter!" very cool and spot on.
The only dues anyone could possibly give to Mosely are that he will do anything to get his way, sadly in much of the business world this is given respect.
It would not be an understatement to say that the future of world motorsport will be decided by this election. Please let it be Vatanen!
Vatanen seems to have the Middle Eastern votes which Bernie must have been hedging his bets on. Todt also caused some controversy with comments he made about South Africa holding a Grand Prix so he has himself lost backing from there and i believe that North America are supporting Vatanen though i could be wrong on that one.
It will be very close, obviously closer than Mosley wants it to be. T
It will be very close, obviously closer than Mosley wants it to be. T
HarryW said:
A quote lifted from somewhere else recently on PH and paraphrased here.
From Tony Benn a principle that MM would do best to learn from..........'Attack the policies, not the man'.
He'd be hard pushed to attack Ari's policies though as they are clearly (even to Spanky) that they are spot on.From Tony Benn a principle that MM would do best to learn from..........'Attack the policies, not the man'.
The accepted method of canvassing votes is to declare that your position doesn't look too good, in the hope of garnering a few extra votes (Ala Maggie and the Tories in '75). Running around declaring that it's all in the bag, and the opposition needn't bother turning up to vote can go spectacularly wrong. Moseley has a fearsome reputation for politicking and will obviously be alert to this, so I wonder where he is going with this stuff.
For the sake of transparency, I sincerely hope Vatanen emerges victorious later this month.
For the sake of transparency, I sincerely hope Vatanen emerges victorious later this month.
Todt may have also lost African votes - Autosport
The South African motorsport body has slammed FIA presidential candidate Jean Todt for comments made about the country.
Speaking in an interview with the Telegraph newspaper, Todt played down the importance of the role of F1 Commissioner, suggesting countries like South Africa are not interested in Formula 1.
"The FIA has over 172 mobility clubs and sporting clubs," Told told the Telegraph. "And I am not sure that they are concerned with who is going to be the F1 Commissioner.
"Do you think people in South Africa care what is happening in F1?"
On Monday, Beaulah Schoeman, Managing Director of Motorsport South Africa, the country's FIA-affiliated motorsport regulator, was very critical of Todt's remarks.
She said the Frenchman had shown the "arrogance and the contempt" the FIA has treated African countries with.
"Mr Todt's comment questioning 'whether people in South Africa care (about) what is happening in F1', is a perfect example of his arrogance and the contempt with which African countries have been - and are being treated - by the FIA and confirms that if he is elected, this will continue," said Schoeman.
"Todt's comment is not only an insult to South Africa, but to all African countries. South Africa is extremely proud of the fact that a past F1 World Champion (Jody Scheckter) is a South African – and that many very successful F1 Grands Prix were held in our country, which presently broadcasts every grand prix throughout Africa.
"In fact, South Africa had a F1 world champion fully six years before Todt's homeland, and while South Africa does not presently have a race on the F1 calendar, France does not, either. Accordingly it is very pleasing to note that Jody's name does not appear on the list of F1 drivers who support Todt."
The South African motorsport body has slammed FIA presidential candidate Jean Todt for comments made about the country.
Speaking in an interview with the Telegraph newspaper, Todt played down the importance of the role of F1 Commissioner, suggesting countries like South Africa are not interested in Formula 1.
"The FIA has over 172 mobility clubs and sporting clubs," Told told the Telegraph. "And I am not sure that they are concerned with who is going to be the F1 Commissioner.
"Do you think people in South Africa care what is happening in F1?"
On Monday, Beaulah Schoeman, Managing Director of Motorsport South Africa, the country's FIA-affiliated motorsport regulator, was very critical of Todt's remarks.
She said the Frenchman had shown the "arrogance and the contempt" the FIA has treated African countries with.
"Mr Todt's comment questioning 'whether people in South Africa care (about) what is happening in F1', is a perfect example of his arrogance and the contempt with which African countries have been - and are being treated - by the FIA and confirms that if he is elected, this will continue," said Schoeman.
"Todt's comment is not only an insult to South Africa, but to all African countries. South Africa is extremely proud of the fact that a past F1 World Champion (Jody Scheckter) is a South African – and that many very successful F1 Grands Prix were held in our country, which presently broadcasts every grand prix throughout Africa.
"In fact, South Africa had a F1 world champion fully six years before Todt's homeland, and while South Africa does not presently have a race on the F1 calendar, France does not, either. Accordingly it is very pleasing to note that Jody's name does not appear on the list of F1 drivers who support Todt."
The imposition, I hesitate to use the word election, of Todt was a forgone conclusion. He has been electioneering for over a year, under the auspices of the FIA programme, confusingly entitled I believe: elect the one chosen by Mosley so that the ex-president will still have control campaign. I was told it might have had a title that was even more off the wall and with the word safety thrown in somewhere or other. But that seems ludicrous.
Todt had it all: the election process favours either the incumbent or the one chosen by him. There is very little chance for someone outside the hallowed ground of the Mosley sycophants to even get a good showing.
We have no idea what was said at these meetings between Todt and the voting members of the FIA. We can guess, of course. The election was Todt’s to lose. All that Ari could hope for was to get enough votes for him to be graned some position in the FIA that would allow him some chance of being voted in after Todt’s eight years ended.
I would have put a lot of money on Todt winning if I could have got evens.
Ari has gone for the Arab vote it would appear, which was very influential in keeping Mosley in power during the prostitute non-nazigate episode last year. Further, SA is quite upset by Todt’s faux pas. What is of note is that Todt has said very little during the campaign, or rather triumphal march around the various countries, leaving Mosley to do all the promising for him. And then, one of the few times he opens his mouth, he puts his foot right in it. Not the performance of a statesman.
That would be a ripple of course, hardly noticed apart from those of us who remember the great races at Kyalami. But then we get this letter to a bloke who is high up in some Arab country hardly anyone has heard of. Unless you are Arab of course. Or have been awake over the last few years.
I would have said, and still do, that Ari stands no chance. But I’ve been wrong before and the thought that goes through my mind is that the letter was a big risk. Why take it if, as I reckon, Todt has both feet under the table?
I get that feeling I used to have when walking in a room full of people who know me: they’ve been saying something that I don’t know about. Ari’s not stupid. So why put himself up for a big fall?
What don’t I know about all this?
Todt had it all: the election process favours either the incumbent or the one chosen by him. There is very little chance for someone outside the hallowed ground of the Mosley sycophants to even get a good showing.
We have no idea what was said at these meetings between Todt and the voting members of the FIA. We can guess, of course. The election was Todt’s to lose. All that Ari could hope for was to get enough votes for him to be graned some position in the FIA that would allow him some chance of being voted in after Todt’s eight years ended.
I would have put a lot of money on Todt winning if I could have got evens.
Ari has gone for the Arab vote it would appear, which was very influential in keeping Mosley in power during the prostitute non-nazigate episode last year. Further, SA is quite upset by Todt’s faux pas. What is of note is that Todt has said very little during the campaign, or rather triumphal march around the various countries, leaving Mosley to do all the promising for him. And then, one of the few times he opens his mouth, he puts his foot right in it. Not the performance of a statesman.
That would be a ripple of course, hardly noticed apart from those of us who remember the great races at Kyalami. But then we get this letter to a bloke who is high up in some Arab country hardly anyone has heard of. Unless you are Arab of course. Or have been awake over the last few years.
I would have said, and still do, that Ari stands no chance. But I’ve been wrong before and the thought that goes through my mind is that the letter was a big risk. Why take it if, as I reckon, Todt has both feet under the table?
I get that feeling I used to have when walking in a room full of people who know me: they’ve been saying something that I don’t know about. Ari’s not stupid. So why put himself up for a big fall?
What don’t I know about all this?
RedLCRB0b said:
heebeegeetee said:
Staggering, isn't it? Isn't Moseley supposed to be impartial?
But this word doesn't exist in the motorsport dictionary that Moseley imposes on us 
What are the chances of Moseley getting some sort of honour from our 'wonderful' government ?
Bob
Surely, if it were going to happen it would have by now?
As for the election, it may well be that Mosely has already made his mind up and we are saddled with the toad.
I've read the article in the Standard where he spins the truth regarding his father. He seems to suggest that the corrupt and putrid essence that was his father should not in any way mean such blame lies with him.
Perhaps the journo should have asked him about Max's involvement with the Union Movement, the post-war reincarnation of the British Union of Fascists. And how about the arrest for taking pick axe handles and other offensive weapons to an anti-apartheid meeting? Yeah, Max old boy, perhaps we should be allowed to judge you on what you did.
A lot of the so-called upper echelons of society supported Ozzy before the war. What was a few dead Jews between Sirs, Lords and MPs? Ozzy and the absolutely vile Mitford woman who spawned Max were interned during the first couple of years of the war, the feeling being that anyone who was friends, and maybe even closer, to good old Adolf was, perhaps, an enemy of the state. But after a while it was felt inappropriate to keep him in his lovely little cottage in the prison grounds where the prisoners could grow vegetables for him so in 1942 he was released. Perhaps some bod in the House of Lords thought the war was over.
People do change as the years go by. I’m just not sure we can assume Max has.
Perhaps the journo should have asked him about Max's involvement with the Union Movement, the post-war reincarnation of the British Union of Fascists. And how about the arrest for taking pick axe handles and other offensive weapons to an anti-apartheid meeting? Yeah, Max old boy, perhaps we should be allowed to judge you on what you did.
A lot of the so-called upper echelons of society supported Ozzy before the war. What was a few dead Jews between Sirs, Lords and MPs? Ozzy and the absolutely vile Mitford woman who spawned Max were interned during the first couple of years of the war, the feeling being that anyone who was friends, and maybe even closer, to good old Adolf was, perhaps, an enemy of the state. But after a while it was felt inappropriate to keep him in his lovely little cottage in the prison grounds where the prisoners could grow vegetables for him so in 1942 he was released. Perhaps some bod in the House of Lords thought the war was over.
People do change as the years go by. I’m just not sure we can assume Max has.
Derek Smith said:
I've read the article in the Standard where he spins the truth regarding his father. He seems to suggest that the corrupt and putrid essence that was his father should not in any way mean such blame lies with him.
Perhaps the journo should have asked him about Max's involvement with the Union Movement, the post-war reincarnation of the British Union of Fascists. And how about the arrest for taking pick axe handles and other offensive weapons to an anti-apartheid meeting? Yeah, Max old boy, perhaps we should be allowed to judge you on what you did.
A lot of the so-called upper echelons of society supported Ozzy before the war. What was a few dead Jews between Sirs, Lords and MPs? Ozzy and the absolutely vile Mitford woman who spawned Max were interned during the first couple of years of the war, the feeling being that anyone who was friends, and maybe even closer, to good old Adolf was, perhaps, an enemy of the state. But after a while it was felt inappropriate to keep him in his lovely little cottage in the prison grounds where the prisoners could grow vegetables for him so in 1942 he was released. Perhaps some bod in the House of Lords thought the war was over.
People do change as the years go by. I’m just not sure we can assume Max has.
If Ari Vatanen wanted to use the same tactics as Mosley and Todt in his campaign he could just send a copy of the Standard article to all the voting member clubs. Truly vile man Mosley is. Article link - http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard-sport/artic... - I don't really want to comment further, but many of the things said need little consideration or analysis to see that Max has probably not changed much, at least not in good ways.Perhaps the journo should have asked him about Max's involvement with the Union Movement, the post-war reincarnation of the British Union of Fascists. And how about the arrest for taking pick axe handles and other offensive weapons to an anti-apartheid meeting? Yeah, Max old boy, perhaps we should be allowed to judge you on what you did.
A lot of the so-called upper echelons of society supported Ozzy before the war. What was a few dead Jews between Sirs, Lords and MPs? Ozzy and the absolutely vile Mitford woman who spawned Max were interned during the first couple of years of the war, the feeling being that anyone who was friends, and maybe even closer, to good old Adolf was, perhaps, an enemy of the state. But after a while it was felt inappropriate to keep him in his lovely little cottage in the prison grounds where the prisoners could grow vegetables for him so in 1942 he was released. Perhaps some bod in the House of Lords thought the war was over.
People do change as the years go by. I’m just not sure we can assume Max has.
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