Oil

[bartonjacques]

Hello all,

I am after some advice as to the most suitable oil for my modified essex V6 engine.

The car is used daily, and on relativly short journeys too.

Thanks Liam

[TVR_owner]

We use 10/60 Millers full synthetic in our race essex engine and drop it after every race/test weekend - oil being cheaper than engines.

We also use 10/60 Millers full synthetic in our heavily modified turbo-charged essex engine - oil being cheaper than engines.

Oil advised by the very serious very experinced engine builder that built both engines.

I would be tempted to try it iin a fast road engine in an every day user or a fun car. Its not too expensive relative to other full synthetics.

I now sit back awaiting a flaming for advising full synthetics for older engines..

Edited by TVR_owner on Wednesday 7th October 15:06

[bartonjacques]

Thanks I will check it out.

I forgot to mention, it was Silkolene Pro S 10w-50 that i had been advised to use.

[GAjon]

I've always been advised to use a heavier grade oil for the Essex, Ford state a SAE 20W/50, I use 'Valvolive racing' oil.

[TVR_owner]

bartonjacques said:

Thanks I will check it out.

I forgot to mention, it was Silkolene Pro S 10w-50 that i had been advised to use.

Not too far away then, I like the protection of 60 weight because the heat the oil sees going through the turbo and the race engine oil gets a bit warmer than a road car would (but not much though).

[heightswitch]

TVR_owner said:

bartonjacques said:

Thanks I will check it out.

I forgot to mention, it was Silkolene Pro S 10w-50 that i had been advised to use.

Not too far away then, I like the protection of 60 weight because the heat the oil sees going through the turbo and the race engine oil gets a bit warmer than a road car would (but not much though).

Mr Simpson spends his money without care.

I would advocate Valvolive R 20 / 50 which is a good old fashioned mineral oil and old racers favourite but! only on the premis that you change it regularly IE at most 3000 miles or 3/4 months

If you are wanting to track the car regularly and are going through a rapid engine heat cycle and high revs regularly then as per John I would switch to a good synthetic oil of a 20 / 50 or even better 10 / 60 grade. Valvoline is a good bit cheaper though, but John like me is an advocate of oil being cheaper than engine.

Neil.


N

[TVR_owner]

heightswitch said:

Mr Simpson spends his money without care.

N

He certainly does not - I actually resent that (and no I'm not having a bad day).

He makes considered judgement and takes advice off folk that know of what they speak first hand. He works hard for what he has and does spend a fair bit of his hard earned on toys, but not without thinking hard firts.

What he never does is ask advice and when given the information from the learned advisor, go a cheaper route because he can't afford to act on the advice - he tends to wait until he can or forget the idea altogether if he hasn't already set off down a particular blind alley. That certainly does not equate to your statement Neil.

[TVR_owner]

GAjon said:

I've always been advised to use a heavier grade oil for the Essex, Ford state a SAE 20W/50, I use 'Valvolive racing' oil.

You were conspicuous by your absence at Cadwell last week....your lad isnt a bad replacment though.

You were missed.

[Adrian@]

Valvoline racing, every time.
Adrian@

[GAjon]

TVR_owner said:

GAjon said:

I've always been advised to use a heavier grade oil for the Essex, Ford state a SAE 20W/50, I use 'Valvolive racing' oil.

You were conspicuous by your absence at Cadwell last week....your lad isnt a bad replacment though.

You were missed.

Yes, thanks for giving Christopher the ride in your (Lindas) Tamora, he enjoyed it, he wants to know if you want to adopt him? If you do I'll throw his brother in for free.

By the way when is the race at Oulton?

Edited by GAjon on Wednesday 7th October 15:52

[TVR_owner]

GAjon said:

TVR_owner said:

GAjon said:

I've always been advised to use a heavier grade oil for the Essex, Ford state a SAE 20W/50, I use 'Valvolive racing' oil.

You were conspicuous by your absence at Cadwell last week....your lad isnt a bad replacment though.

You were missed.

Yes, thanks for giving Christopher the ride in your (Lindas) Tamora, he enjoyed it, he wants to know if you want to adopt him? If you do I'll throw his brother in for free.

By the way when is the race at Oulton?

Edited by GAjon on Wednesday 7th October 15:52

It was in my Tuscan Jon, Linda's Tamora was there but not on track.

Let me get back to you on the adoption.........both you say.......

By the way, Valvolive don't seem to list that old fashioned oil anymore, maybe time to move with technology and see what it has conjured up.

Oulton is 17th October. Qually and both races before 13.05...then the bar!! See you there?

[DavidY]

Liam

I always used good quality mineral oils and changed every 1500 miles (as John says, oild cheap by engines aren't). Though if Rik Wood was the last person to breathe on it, I'd ask him what he recommends

davidy

[Adrian@]

VR-1 ...copy and paste this....
www.valvolineeurope.com/english/products/all_produ...
Adrian@

[heightswitch]

TVR_owner said:

heightswitch said:

Mr Simpson spends his money without care.

N

He certainly does not - I actually resent that (and no I'm not having a bad day).

He makes considered judgement and takes advice off folk that know of what they speak first hand. He works hard for what he has and does spend a fair bit of his hard earned on toys, but not without thinking hard firts.

What he never does is ask advice and when given the information from the learned advisor, go a cheaper route because he can't afford to act on the advice - he tends to wait until he can or forget the idea altogether if he hasn't already set off down a particular blind alley. That certainly does not equate to your statement Neil.

Bad choice of words John (on my part)sorry mate. I was running around to various meetings. I have had a particularly bad day today. Reading it back it is a very bad choice of phrase which was not my intention to portray.

Change first sentence to John has more to spend on oil and races his cars so a more budget concious route would be..........

I humbly and publicly apologise over the airwaves for any offence caused which wasn't my intention..

N.

Edited by heightswitch on Wednesday 7th October 17:29

[62GRANTIII]

I USED TO USE NOWT BUT VALVOLINE RACING
HOWEVER NOT TOO PLEASED WITH OIL PRESSURE AFTER A GOOD 'BRAEING'
I PUT MILLERS 10/60 IN, PROBLEM SORTED.
AS JOHN STATED, OIL COMES ALOT CHEAPER THAN ENGINES
I PICKED UP A NEW ENGINE FOR MY 'S' ON SATURDAY
NOWT BUT 10/60 WILL BE GOING IN !
REGARDS IAN !

[heightswitch]

62GRANTIII said:

I USED TO USE NOWT BUT VALVOLINE RACING
HOWEVER NOT TOO PLEASED WITH OIL PRESSURE AFTER A GOOD 'BRAEING'
I PUT MILLERS 10/60 IN, PROBLEM SORTED.
AS JOHN STATED, OIL COMES ALOT CHEAPER THAN ENGINES
I PICKED UP A NEW ENGINE FOR MY 'S' ON SATURDAY
NOWT BUT 10/60 WILL BE GOING IN !
REGARDS IAN !

Hello Ian. on shore at the mo?

Mr simpson has really spoiled my day now and dropped the bombshell that old valvoline R is now no longer available. The modern equivalent is VR1 which is a good bit more expensive than it used to be. This now makes the cost / performance argument with valvoline a lot harder to justify.

valvoline racing not available anymore, I think I need counselling.

What is very disturbing Ian is your report of oil pressure drop after just 1.45 seconds

And I cannot have any croissants at Oulton !!!

Going into the garage before my day gets any worse.

N.

[Slow M]

62GRANTIII said:

I USED TO USE NOWT BUT VALVOLINE RACING
HOWEVER NOT TOO PLEASED WITH OIL PRESSURE AFTER A GOOD 'BRAEING'
I PUT MILLERS 10/60 IN, PROBLEM SORTED.
AS JOHN STATED, OIL COMES ALOT CHEAPER THAN ENGINES
I PICKED UP A NEW ENGINE FOR MY 'S' ON SATURDAY
NOWT BUT 10/60 WILL BE GOING IN !
REGARDS IAN !

Ian, as far as I know, people typically run-in NEW engines on mineral based oil until they get ring seat and then switch to synthetics. You should probably discuss this with your engine builder.
Bernard.

[Slow M]

bartonjacques said:

Hello all,

I am after some advice as to the most suitable oil for my modified essex V6 engine.

The car is used daily, and on relativly short journeys too.

Thanks Liam

Liam,

modern synthetics offer a combination of attributes from lower (10W30) and higher (20W50) viscosity oils by expanding the effective useable temperature range. (=10W50)
I wouldn't use 20W50 during a cold winter in any car I actually like without a sump warmer &maybe a core heater too.
(but I did in my Mustang! )

Bernard.

[TVR_owner]

heightswitch said:

And I cannot have any croissants at Oulton !!!

Currently under consideration by the Team Manager...

[DavidY]

Whats wrong with Black Pudding for the 'Northerners'!!!!