Cameron Speech
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s2art

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18,942 posts

269 months

Thursday 8th October 2009
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Thought it quite good. Problem is it was all aspirational. How many people will believe he can accomplish his goals?

Don

28,378 posts

300 months

Thursday 8th October 2009
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s2art said:
Thought it quite good. Problem is it was all aspirational. How many people will believe he can accomplish his goals?
People don't need to believe that. Just that he's going to try.

The "It's time for a change" meme is now in full effect. It almost doesn't matter what Brown and Cameron say...

Parrot of Doom

23,075 posts

250 months

Thursday 8th October 2009
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Even scripted, he comes across as more sincere and honest than Winky, who had to receive training to understand how to smile.

john_p

7,073 posts

266 months

Thursday 8th October 2009
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I was waiting for a slip of some sort when they left the microphone on after the speech..

anonymous-user

70 months

Thursday 8th October 2009
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I thought it was a pretty good speech. The end was a bit strange but I thought the speech as a whole seemed sincere and he wasn't overly gushing which I think is good. The stat re the 96% marginal tax rate on some single mothers was a great blow against Labour. I hope his people thoroughly vetted the guy he name checked regading JSA / Incapacity benefit. Because the Labour spin team will be doing so right now and we don't want a "Joe the Plumber"...

I thought his wife looked very uncomfortable at the end.

loltolhurst

1,994 posts

200 months

Thursday 8th October 2009
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unrepentant said:
I thought his wife looked very uncomfortable at the end.
prob the m n s dress - really bbc is that news....http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8297386.stm

rsole

643 posts

203 months

Thursday 8th October 2009
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s2art said:
Thought it quite good. Problem is it was all aspirational. How many people will believe he can accomplish his goals?
Agree with all that - good speech i thought. If he/they can accomplish just a few of the things he highlighted UK PLC will be a whole lot better off. Good bye Winky (hopefully).

I'll miss his gurn at the end of every sentence though...

Edited by rsole on Thursday 8th October 16:50

Parrot of Doom

23,075 posts

250 months

Thursday 8th October 2009
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loltolhurst said:
unrepentant said:
I thought his wife looked very uncomfortable at the end.
prob the m n s dress - really bbc is that news....http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8297386.stm
Women will see it as news, as Winky's missus wore a £500 dress or something.

Toff Tory = cheap dress. Socialist Labour = expensive dress.

Frankeh

12,558 posts

201 months

Thursday 8th October 2009
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I asked a Bosnian the other day how he votes at home and he said he just always votes for the opposition every time because he doesn’t want a single party getting cocky. I like this idea and I think I’m going to adopt it.

Cameron 2010!

Project 644

37,069 posts

204 months

Thursday 8th October 2009
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Frankeh said:
I asked a Bosnian the other day how he votes at home and he said he just always votes for the opposition every time because he doesn’t want a single party getting cocky. I like this idea and I think I’m going to adopt it.

Cameron 2010!
It's a good theory. The trouble is that you get people who are set in their ways, or have had stuff drummed into them from an early age and don't deviate from the pattern.

I know someone whose parents were working class kids who I would now class as middle class people. Where her parents would never vote anything other than labour as they used to be the working mans party, they have instilled that thinking into their kids. Their daughter even told me that she would prefer to see Winky stay in rather than have a tory government. When asked why she said that she just couldn't ever vote tory and any other party was a wasted vote. That is what they are up against.

FWIW I told her that from where I see things, a Labour vote is a wasted vote for the country.

Disco_Dale

1,893 posts

226 months

Thursday 8th October 2009
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No mention of the huge cuts to police numbers and armed forces budgets.

Funny that, eh?


chris watton

22,544 posts

276 months

Thursday 8th October 2009
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Disco_Dale said:
No mention of the huge cuts to police numbers and armed forces budgets.

Funny that, eh?
Don't forget the nurses! Very remiss of you to miss them from the official anti Tory spiel......Your comrades won't be happy!

anonymous-user

70 months

Thursday 8th October 2009
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Project 644 said:
I know someone whose parents were working class kids who I would now class as middle class people. Where her parents would never vote anything other than labour as they used to be the working mans party, they have instilled that thinking into their kids. Their daughter even told me that she would prefer to see Winky stay in rather than have a tory government. When asked why she said that she just couldn't ever vote tory and any other party was a wasted vote. That is what they are up against.
And yet in the 80's vast numbers of genuine "working men" voted for Thatcher. Most children of working class parents who climb the ladder end up voting Tory, it's called progress. The last decade may be the exception as Bliar dressed Labour up as Tory lite and the Tories themselves were a shambles until 2005. Anyone still voting Labour for those kind of dogmatic reasons is just too thick to think for themselves and I would suggest that come polling day there will be relatively few of them.

Disco_Dale

1,893 posts

226 months

Thursday 8th October 2009
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chris watton said:
Disco_Dale said:
No mention of the huge cuts to police numbers and armed forces budgets.

Funny that, eh?
Don't forget the nurses! Very remiss of you to miss them from the official anti Tory spiel......Your comrades won't be happy!
I'm not so much anti-tory as anti bullsh*t.
Tell you what, come back in 5 years and tell me how wrong I was.

After all, it's obvious that less police is exactly what this country needs, isn't it?

tinman0

18,231 posts

256 months

Thursday 8th October 2009
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Disco_Dale said:
After all, it's obvious that less police is exactly what this country needs, isn't it?
Country needs more criminals in jails, and in jail for longer.

Then we would need less Police as there are less people to catch.

Euro Spec

303 posts

199 months

Thursday 8th October 2009
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Disco_Dale said:
chris watton said:
Disco_Dale said:
No mention of the huge cuts to police numbers and armed forces budgets.

Funny that, eh?
Don't forget the nurses! Very remiss of you to miss them from the official anti Tory spiel......Your comrades won't be happy!
I'm not so much anti-tory as anti bullsh*t.
Tell you what, come back in 5 years and tell me how wrong I was.

After all, it's obvious that less police is exactly what this country needs, isn't it?
I doubt there needs to be more police, just better policing and proper sentencing!

Guy Torf Myland

853 posts

206 months

Thursday 8th October 2009
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Disco_Dale said:
chris watton said:
Disco_Dale said:
No mention of the huge cuts to police numbers and armed forces budgets.

Funny that, eh?
Don't forget the nurses! Very remiss of you to miss them from the official anti Tory spiel......Your comrades won't be happy!
I'm not so much anti-tory as anti bullsh*t.
Tell you what, come back in 5 years and tell me how wrong I was.

After all, it's obvious that less police is exactly what this country needs, isn't it?
I didn't know about this. How many police officers and soldiers are they going to sack? Sounds like an outrage.


I thought the speech was good (rather moving too, fwiw).

Disco_Dale

1,893 posts

226 months

Thursday 8th October 2009
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tinman0 said:
Country needs more criminals in jails, and in jail for longer.

Then we would need less Police as there are less people to catch.
OK, so we'll need more prisons, along with prison officers and we know how popular public sector workers are round these 'ere parts.

Euro Spec said:
I doubt there needs to be more police, just better policing and proper sentencing!
As the population rises, you need more police. We're always going to need more.

Edited by Disco_Dale on Thursday 8th October 22:56

jimothy

5,151 posts

253 months

Thursday 8th October 2009
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Disco_Dale said:
tinman0 said:
Country needs more criminals in jails, and in jail for longer.

Then we would need less Police as there are less people to catch.
OK, so we'll need more prisons, along with prison officers and we know how popular public sector workers are round these 'ere parts.

Euro Spec said:
I doubt there needs to be more police, just better policing and proper sentencing!
As the population rises, you need more police. We're always going to need more.

Edited by Disco_Dale on Thursday 8th October 22:56
THe problem is when cuts get mentioned, people only think of the front line. They could sack thousands of 'police' and be better off, not by getting rid of beat coppers, but by losing 'diversity managers', 'police station art consultants' and other pointless non-jobs that eat up our taxes with no benefit.
Have a read of 'wasting police time', a blog and now book by a cop - 90% of his time was pointless paperwork and upping stats by arresting and deciding to do nothing for pointless things. Remove the stats, giving police time to do their real job and the same number or less would make our streets safer. 100 cops doing 90% paperwork is less efficient than 50 cops doing 10% paperwork.

Frankeh

12,558 posts

201 months

Thursday 8th October 2009
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Community support officers. ALL THEY DO IS WALK. I have never seen one do anything other than walk. Ever.