Tax on Speeding Motorists.
Discussion
Tony Blair's Government want to Tax all motorists caught speeding by cameras.
It's not as if they don't already get enough of our hard earned cash.
One of Blairs MP's was on BBC Radio 2 this evening saying that "speeding motorists are criminals" and motorists should be made to pay for all the people they injure and kill each year.
It's not as if they don't already get enough of our hard earned cash.
One of Blairs MP's was on BBC Radio 2 this evening saying that "speeding motorists are criminals" and motorists should be made to pay for all the people they injure and kill each year.
Couldn't possibly put tax on top of the measly fines handed out to scrotes who beat old folk.
They wouldn't pay up.
Good old mug motorist who DOES generally care about the law will be daft enough to stump up.
It's nearly enough to make you get a dodgy tax disc out of spite / principle!
They wouldn't pay up.
Good old mug motorist who DOES generally care about the law will be daft enough to stump up.
It's nearly enough to make you get a dodgy tax disc out of spite / principle!
streaky said:
Keep your heads down, lads, or they'll slap VAT on the tax.................
Ah; they can't tax a tax - Streaky
The petrol you buy at the pumps has a fixed price tax applied to it and then VAT is paid on the total amount including the tax.
Not quite the same thing but you also taxed via income tax and then taxed again on the same income but this time it is called National Insurance.
Of course you also pay inheritance tax on your wealth which was acquired after tax was deducted when you obtained it.
Where will it all end? This Corrupt government has got to go! 
More details on
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3390315.stm
Speeding drivers face victim levy
Motorists convicted of speeding may have to pay compensation for victims, the government has proposed.
The plan, published on Monday, is one of several changes to the funding of victim support services.
Motorists given a prison term or suspended sentence would pay £30 to a Home Office fund providing victim and witness compensation and support.
Those fined for speeding or driving without insurance would face a levy of £5 or £10.
Publishing the consultation paper, Home Secretary David Blunkett said: "The effect of crime on the lives of its victims can be devastating.
"A lump sum of compensation alone does not repair this damage, and the current scheme does not enable us to provide the wide range of support needed."
He said a victims fund would put more money into services such as practical support, information to victims of rape and sexual offences, road traffic accident victims and those who have been bereaved as a result of crime.
Parking fines would be exempt from the new levy.
Other on-the-spot fines, such as being drunk in public or making a hoax 999 call, would also carry the extra charge.
Home Office minister Baroness Scotland told BBC News 24 that "a lot of people out there, if asked, would not mind paying an additional 5 or 10 pounds if it is going to go towards the victims of crime getting the sort of counselling, the help and wider support they need."
She added that telling the offender that he or she has a responsibility to "the victim or potential victim" of the crime is important.
The surcharges would raise £28m a year if they were all collected, but with an expected enforcement rate of 60% they would bring in just under £17m, the Home Office paper said.
'Victimless crimes'
Most of the proposals apply in England and Wales only.
Mark Leech, editor of the Prisons Handbook, said: "It is for the state to provide for victims of crime rather than to impose levies on people who commit speeding offences and so on - these are victimless crimes.
"It simply isn't fair and it isn't right."
He said the scheme would not work in practice.
"Increasing the financial burden on offenders isn't the answer because many of them get into crime in the first place because they have no money."
Anthony Forsyth of Victim Support said that while the charity supported moves to improve services it was "uncomfortable" with the use of income from fines.
"Our position has always been that services for victims should come out of core [government] funding," he said.
"We are uncomfortable with the idea of linking this extra income with these sorts of minor offences."
Hot spots
Schemes likely to be paid for by the new victims fund would include a national telephone helpline for sex crime victims, better services for ethnic minority victims, children who have been targeted by crime, and bereaved victims, the consultation paper said.
It could also target people in crime hot spots where victim support services need boosting.
Under the plans, the Criminal Injuries Compensation Authority would also be given greater powers to recover from offenders money it had paid out to victims.
Also under the proposal, the drinks industry could be asked to contribute towards the cost of compensation because of the large number of alcohol-related violent incidents.
More details on
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3390315.stm
Speeding drivers face victim levy
Motorists convicted of speeding may have to pay compensation for victims, the government has proposed.
The plan, published on Monday, is one of several changes to the funding of victim support services.
Motorists given a prison term or suspended sentence would pay £30 to a Home Office fund providing victim and witness compensation and support.
Those fined for speeding or driving without insurance would face a levy of £5 or £10.
Publishing the consultation paper, Home Secretary David Blunkett said: "The effect of crime on the lives of its victims can be devastating.
"A lump sum of compensation alone does not repair this damage, and the current scheme does not enable us to provide the wide range of support needed."
He said a victims fund would put more money into services such as practical support, information to victims of rape and sexual offences, road traffic accident victims and those who have been bereaved as a result of crime.
Parking fines would be exempt from the new levy.
Other on-the-spot fines, such as being drunk in public or making a hoax 999 call, would also carry the extra charge.
Home Office minister Baroness Scotland told BBC News 24 that "a lot of people out there, if asked, would not mind paying an additional 5 or 10 pounds if it is going to go towards the victims of crime getting the sort of counselling, the help and wider support they need."
She added that telling the offender that he or she has a responsibility to "the victim or potential victim" of the crime is important.
The surcharges would raise £28m a year if they were all collected, but with an expected enforcement rate of 60% they would bring in just under £17m, the Home Office paper said.
'Victimless crimes'
Most of the proposals apply in England and Wales only.
Mark Leech, editor of the Prisons Handbook, said: "It is for the state to provide for victims of crime rather than to impose levies on people who commit speeding offences and so on - these are victimless crimes.
"It simply isn't fair and it isn't right."
He said the scheme would not work in practice.
"Increasing the financial burden on offenders isn't the answer because many of them get into crime in the first place because they have no money."
Anthony Forsyth of Victim Support said that while the charity supported moves to improve services it was "uncomfortable" with the use of income from fines.
"Our position has always been that services for victims should come out of core [government] funding," he said.
"We are uncomfortable with the idea of linking this extra income with these sorts of minor offences."
Hot spots
Schemes likely to be paid for by the new victims fund would include a national telephone helpline for sex crime victims, better services for ethnic minority victims, children who have been targeted by crime, and bereaved victims, the consultation paper said.
It could also target people in crime hot spots where victim support services need boosting.
Under the plans, the Criminal Injuries Compensation Authority would also be given greater powers to recover from offenders money it had paid out to victims.
Also under the proposal, the drinks industry could be asked to contribute towards the cost of compensation because of the large number of alcohol-related violent incidents.
pjs917 said:
Lets get every motororist to go on strike, just for a day. Leave your car at home, no petrol revenue, public transport chaos. No speeding fine revenue. The government would loose millions and motorists will start to get a voice.
I think that is a fantastic idea...only problem is i would see those georgeous empty roads and think 'Well it won't matter if little old me goes out for a drive'...and i am sure millions of others would too...it would be too tempting.
I think maybe we should just refuse to use our cars/vans etc for business purposes or getting to work for one day, but use it for or own purposes if we need to.
FFS where will all this end , revolution most probably at the curent rate 
if this bunch of leaglised highwaymen are not brought to heel 
.
[high blood pressure mode on]
Oh fcck it, I've almost had enough, time to check out of heathrow on a one way ticket somewhere, thieving scumbag, tosspot, asssholes not worth pissing on if they were on fire.
[high blood pressure mode off]
Ah that's better
.
Harry
, revolution most probably at the curent rate if this bunch of leaglised highwaymen are not brought to heel . [high blood pressure mode on]
Oh fcck it, I've almost had enough, time to check out of heathrow on a one way ticket somewhere, thieving scumbag, tosspot, asssholes not worth pissing on if they were on fire.
[high blood pressure mode off]
Ah that's better
. Harry
cazzo said:
It could also target people in crime hot spots where victim support services need boosting.
This may be "thinking outside the box" a little, but surely crime hotspots would be better served with more police to stop there being victims in the first place? Radical, I know....
Isn't this simply an admission that this Government has given up on crime? They seem to be resigned to compensating victims rather than stopping the criminals in the first place. Madness.
This lying government are so cynical it's almost beyond belief. What they are attempting to do is attach morally 'good' benefits to speeding fines in the form of a £5 or £10 'donation' to one of their new 'good' causes. This automatically makes reducing the number of fines (and therefore the number of cameras) much harder to achieve. All they will have to do is simply plead "If we reduce the number of fines, the poor kiddies won't get a Christmas" etc etc. Blair's problem now is that he's run out of stealth tax ideas, so he's just going for any soft targets he can. Soft target No.1. The Motorist (again)
Saw this last night on Sky, unbelieveable! Who do these scrotes of noolabia think they are??? Let a scrote do a mugging, be too lazy to prosecute him and then the british drivers should pay for their laziness??? Time for a revolution methinks!!!! Tie them to the stern of a sports car with barbed wire and tow them at 100mph up the M1!!!face down!!!
Did anyone else see Newsnight? The Govt sent some condescending cow of a minister on the prog as a spokesperson. Fortunately, it was Paxman doing the interview. His opening line was to announce the basis of the proposals and end it by saying "We'll be asking the Government what they are playing at".
After the film report, he proceeded to give the cow the biggest savaging I have seen on telly for a good while, a proper "Paxman-ing". It was great, he had her squirming and on the ropes. He made her look a total buffoon, which frankly was not hard. I stood there cheering and punching the air. Worth the liscence fee alone.
If only I had recorded it!
After the film report, he proceeded to give the cow the biggest savaging I have seen on telly for a good while, a proper "Paxman-ing". It was great, he had her squirming and on the ropes. He made her look a total buffoon, which frankly was not hard. I stood there cheering and punching the air. Worth the liscence fee alone.
If only I had recorded it!
Another tax on the poor! I won't like paying it... but at least I'm fortunate enough that, if I have to, I can afford to. FFS! Some people are just about managing to run a car.
Nice idea from a "socialist" govt! To55ers!
Maybe this view should be put to the masses? Might be simple enough for them to grasp and motivate them enough to VOTE THE B******S OUT next time!
Watch out pinocchio! Only 18 months left for you!
Nice idea from a "socialist" govt! To55ers!
Maybe this view should be put to the masses? Might be simple enough for them to grasp and motivate them enough to VOTE THE B******S OUT next time!
Watch out pinocchio! Only 18 months left for you!
Andy Zarse said:
Did anyone else see Newsnight? The Govt sent some condescending cow of a minister on the prog as a spokesperson. Fortunately, it was Paxman doing the interview. His opening line was to announce the basis of the proposals and end it by saying "We'll be asking the Government what they are playing at".
After the film report, he proceeded to give the cow the biggest savaging I have seen on telly for a good while, a proper "Paxman-ing". It was great, he had her squirming and on the ropes. He made her look a total buffoon, which frankly was not hard. I stood there cheering and punching the air. Worth the liscence fee alone.
If only I had recorded it!
Damn! I'd have paid good money to see that!
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