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After the Noble, you'll appreciate a C2.
Get one with PSM and sat nav (for resale) if you can.
At that money you should be able to just make a facelift version with the 3.6 motor. This is much crisper and punchier than the 3.4 IMO.
Remember that the official Porsche centres work on vast margins ( 8-9k per car ! ) , so you may get more value at a good independent.
Good luck trying, and wellcome to the fold.
Get one with PSM and sat nav (for resale) if you can.
At that money you should be able to just make a facelift version with the 3.6 motor. This is much crisper and punchier than the 3.4 IMO.
Remember that the official Porsche centres work on vast margins ( 8-9k per car ! ) , so you may get more value at a good independent.
Good luck trying, and wellcome to the fold.
Harrysnoble, good choice !!
I agree with top stuff, if you can afford to get a facelift this is worth the extra dosh,the variaram plus & extra 200cc's make it much "gruntier" & more enjoyable in the midrange you even get twin cupholders & a glovebox !!!!!
There is a lot of choice out there in secondhand land & private is where your best value is.The Sunday Times & Top Marques (mags & websites) are your places, BUT as always....................
1/Make sure the car is full C16 UK specification & get the full vin number to check with Porsche HQ
2/ ALWAYS pay for a full OPC check over, it's only £150-ish
3/ Get your potential car valued by a Porsche buyer (in S.Times) to check the price you are paying.
4/ Spec check
a/18 inch wheels a must
b/PSM well worth having
c/PCM good for resale as EVEYTHING will have sat nav soon.
d/10mm sports chassis is a MUST have if you are a press on enthusistic driver, otherwise standard is fine
e/The standard stereo is crap so look for a car with the optianal BOSE system
f/ a few extra alloy bits (handbrake & gearlever) is nice
g/a sports exhaust is also tempting !!!
I think you will find it hard to get a facelift car with the bodykit, it was 5k-ish extra new & not many were fitted.You can have it retro-fitted but it would be expensive, the newer car also has a different kit, the pre-MY02 cars had a GT3 look kit & with more older cars about you may get one of these.
Best of luck
I agree with top stuff, if you can afford to get a facelift this is worth the extra dosh,the variaram plus & extra 200cc's make it much "gruntier" & more enjoyable in the midrange you even get twin cupholders & a glovebox !!!!!
There is a lot of choice out there in secondhand land & private is where your best value is.The Sunday Times & Top Marques (mags & websites) are your places, BUT as always....................
1/Make sure the car is full C16 UK specification & get the full vin number to check with Porsche HQ
2/ ALWAYS pay for a full OPC check over, it's only £150-ish
3/ Get your potential car valued by a Porsche buyer (in S.Times) to check the price you are paying.
4/ Spec check
a/18 inch wheels a must
b/PSM well worth having
c/PCM good for resale as EVEYTHING will have sat nav soon.
d/10mm sports chassis is a MUST have if you are a press on enthusistic driver, otherwise standard is fine
e/The standard stereo is crap so look for a car with the optianal BOSE system
f/ a few extra alloy bits (handbrake & gearlever) is nice
g/a sports exhaust is also tempting !!!
I think you will find it hard to get a facelift car with the bodykit, it was 5k-ish extra new & not many were fitted.You can have it retro-fitted but it would be expensive, the newer car also has a different kit, the pre-MY02 cars had a GT3 look kit & with more older cars about you may get one of these.
Best of luck
All of the above info is great and I`m sure has value. However if you really want to avoid vast depreciation then don`t pay the money out in the first place.
I would suggest paying as close to £30k as you can for a good car. Worry about the basic car rather than what aluminium bits it has secreted about it`s person.
When you come to sell on it will be a good value car for the next chap and so you`ll be quids in. Your £45k 996 may well be a £30-35k car waiting to happen. Your £35k car will make considerably more than £15-20k.
Oh - and be sitting down when it comes to valuing the noble !! That said I take my hat off to Noble for producing a very well built car, even in the detail, with lovely handling.
Henry
I would suggest paying as close to £30k as you can for a good car. Worry about the basic car rather than what aluminium bits it has secreted about it`s person.
When you come to sell on it will be a good value car for the next chap and so you`ll be quids in. Your £45k 996 may well be a £30-35k car waiting to happen. Your £35k car will make considerably more than £15-20k.
Oh - and be sitting down when it comes to valuing the noble !! That said I take my hat off to Noble for producing a very well built car, even in the detail, with lovely handling.
Henry
Henry I know you are a trader & as such have a good knowledge of values, but the £30K Porker would surely be from around 1998 & inevitably would loose less as it's an older car that has lost 6 year's depreciation rather than the 3 year's of a facelift car.
I agree that buying an older car will loose you less money, but I can't see that buying low spec. car's is going to save you a boat load over a well specified car. Isn't getting better value out of those extra's (that the original owner paid full list for) one of the big benefits of buying second hand ?
Also if you don't have a few goodies the official OPC network are less likely to be interested in your toy come re-sale & they still (in the main) pay the best money for cars, although I am sure you may say different. As an example, that I am sure you are aware of, OPC's wouldn't buy the original 2.5 Boxter unless it had aircon fitted !
From my experience, with good negotiation skills & a fair bit of shopping around (& if you are comparing the same age & mileage of car) you won't pay that much more for a well specified car over a boggo model. But I agree with your sentiments if you are saying that older will give you similar fun with less pain in the wallet.
>> Edited by grant3 on Tuesday 13th January 16:37
I agree that buying an older car will loose you less money, but I can't see that buying low spec. car's is going to save you a boat load over a well specified car. Isn't getting better value out of those extra's (that the original owner paid full list for) one of the big benefits of buying second hand ?
Also if you don't have a few goodies the official OPC network are less likely to be interested in your toy come re-sale & they still (in the main) pay the best money for cars, although I am sure you may say different. As an example, that I am sure you are aware of, OPC's wouldn't buy the original 2.5 Boxter unless it had aircon fitted !
From my experience, with good negotiation skills & a fair bit of shopping around (& if you are comparing the same age & mileage of car) you won't pay that much more for a well specified car over a boggo model. But I agree with your sentiments if you are saying that older will give you similar fun with less pain in the wallet.
>> Edited by grant3 on Tuesday 13th January 16:37
henry-F said:
I would suggest paying as close to £30k as you can for a good car. Worry about the basic car rather than what aluminium bits it has secreted about it`s person.
And luckily Henry has one in stock in this price range! (£34k)
www.911virgin.com/996cya.htm
Harry...Yes if you want a real interactive "drivers car" the 10mm sports suspension(firm but not as firm as the 30mm lowered rock hard variety) & a sports exhaust are a MUST HAVE. But there are plenty of aftermarket systems (even second hand ones) to choose from & Porsches own set-up even offer's a switchable volume control (at a price).The facelift model did have increased exhaust volume inside & out, compared to the previous model, but the car does sound gggggreat inside (& you bond better with the car) with a nice sports system ! You just know it makes sense !!
I would offer Henry F "as close to £30k" for his car and see his reaction!
Kamal
Kamal
rodsmith said:
I would suggest paying as close to £30k as you can for a good car. Worry about the basic car rather than what aluminium bits it has secreted about it`s person.
And luckily Henry has one in stock in this price range! (£34k)
www.911virgin.com/996cya.htm
I have had Cargraphic, but DON'T go for the loud system, it's TOO loud, the middle one is best (sounds fantastic at full throttle) they are well made & well recognised in the business. I have also heard that Rooke is very good (JAZ motors do them)but there are so many to choose from,Techart, RUF (expensive)Gemballa & American systems like Fabspeed etc etc. Personally I think the Porsche system is hard to beat with that fantastic idea of being able to switch the volume down if you want to, it's about £1500-ish, so more expensive than many, but it keeps the warranty 100%, the only problem is the fitting costs if you go for the switch. The great thing about my OPC is they WILL negotiate, so you could get a deal ! Contact your local dealer & ask if they have an official system that you can listen to, may have one on a demo car.
Anyway first get the car, you will have plenty of time to sort out the exhaust once you have got used to it !
Anyway first get the car, you will have plenty of time to sort out the exhaust once you have got used to it !
I would say, go for the official PSE. After a month of phoning around and speaking to loads of people, I consider myself something of a old hat on 996 exhaust. I think the PSE is the best of the lot, with the Techart, Fabspeed and Cargraphics trailing closely. Ruf/Gemballa stuff was way too expensive to come into the comparison. I got mine fitted (without the muting switch) for virtually the same cost as the Techart and Cargraphics.
Also, if you plumb for the facelift model (which for £45k, shouldn't be a problem), you would not want to invalidate any warranty left by fitting anything other than the PSE.
If whatever you buy does not have a sports exhaust fitted, drop me a line and I would put you in contact with my main man at the OPC that did mine.
Just for future references, I found sports exhaust for £300, £500, £800 £1200 and £1500+. So there is a lot to choose from irrespective of your budget!!
>> Edited by flexya on Tuesday 13th January 20:39
Also, if you plumb for the facelift model (which for £45k, shouldn't be a problem), you would not want to invalidate any warranty left by fitting anything other than the PSE.
If whatever you buy does not have a sports exhaust fitted, drop me a line and I would put you in contact with my main man at the OPC that did mine.
Just for future references, I found sports exhaust for £300, £500, £800 £1200 and £1500+. So there is a lot to choose from irrespective of your budget!!
>> Edited by flexya on Tuesday 13th January 20:39
Facelifts with the 3.6 from 2001 - "51" reg I believe. If its a 3.6 then its a facelift.
Only thing to watch for are colour choices for resale. Stick with the greys and blues and you'll be fine... As said, get sat nav and PSM ( the traction control gubbins) for resale ( it is switchable).
And tires - i get about 8-10k out of mine.
Some people like Pirelli p zeros, but factory generally fit continentals. The conti's generally are a little worse than the pirellis in the dry, but better in the wet. Cont'is last longer too ..
And if you fancy something a little different - think about a Targa.
The Targa will be my next car ( I have a 3.4) . They are all 3.6,s and with this latest model the Targa is based on the coupe ( previous Targas were based on the cabrio so they were not as stiff) So the current Targa drive just as well as the coupe but have a chuffing big glass roof.
You'll want a manual after the Noble of course. The tiptronics are lovely but probably not up your street.
Whatever you get, add a sports exhaust and you'll have the perfect multi role dream machine
Only thing to watch for are colour choices for resale. Stick with the greys and blues and you'll be fine... As said, get sat nav and PSM ( the traction control gubbins) for resale ( it is switchable).
And tires - i get about 8-10k out of mine.
Some people like Pirelli p zeros, but factory generally fit continentals. The conti's generally are a little worse than the pirellis in the dry, but better in the wet. Cont'is last longer too ..
And if you fancy something a little different - think about a Targa.
The Targa will be my next car ( I have a 3.4) . They are all 3.6,s and with this latest model the Targa is based on the coupe ( previous Targas were based on the cabrio so they were not as stiff) So the current Targa drive just as well as the coupe but have a chuffing big glass roof.
You'll want a manual after the Noble of course. The tiptronics are lovely but probably not up your street.
Whatever you get, add a sports exhaust and you'll have the perfect multi role dream machine
As Top Stuff, with the exeception of the Targa bit (& I have already pruntled on about extra's). My problem with the Targa is it is neither fish nor fowl, it doesn't give you the full wind in the hair open air cabrio feel & as the body shell is based on the Cab it is heavier than a standard C2 & less rigid. The big sunroof is also very noisy when open & obscures your rear view. Porsche don't do sunroofs very well on the wind noise front !! The only benefit's are a nice light cabin because of the glass roof & it has a very practical rear hatch. But each to their own , it's still a great car.
Facelift was 2002 model year from 51 reg. as you will get a full OPC & Hpi check including the VIN you will be sure it is the right car. Other tell tale signs if the owners not sure (Der !!)...it has the tear drop lights as per Turbo & C4S & was the first 911 to have a glovebox...........Yipee !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Facelift was 2002 model year from 51 reg. as you will get a full OPC & Hpi check including the VIN you will be sure it is the right car. Other tell tale signs if the owners not sure (Der !!)...it has the tear drop lights as per Turbo & C4S & was the first 911 to have a glovebox...........Yipee !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
grant3 said:
as the body shell is based on the Cab
Really !
i thought that while all previous targas were based on the cab, the current model is different as it is based on the coupe. Therefore, it is as good a drive as the coupe ( if a little heavier )..
I'm sure I read it somewhere..
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