RE: Drivers To Pay Extra 'Climate Costs'?
RE: Drivers To Pay Extra 'Climate Costs'?
Tuesday 13th October 2009

Drivers To Pay Extra 'Climate Costs'?

Climate Change Committee demands big increases in fuel and road tax


Road pricing forms major part of strategy
Road pricing forms major part of strategy
The cost of motoring could be set to rocket in the next decade, if the UK's independent advisory committee on climate change gets its way.

A report published by the Committee on Climate Change - an independent body established under the Climate Change Act last year - recommends that a national road pricing system and significant hikes in fuel duty and Vehicle Excise Duty should be introduced. The committee has also demanded more stringent enforcement of speed limits.

The plans form part of a wide-ranging package to bring down average new car emissions down to 95g/km of CO2 from today's figure of 150+g/km.

"It is sometimes argued that if road pricing were to be introduced this would have to be offset by a reduction in fuel duty" says the committee's report. "From a carbon perspective, however, this would result in increased emissions (i.e. fuel consumption and emissions are potentially more responsive to fuel duty than to road pricing). From an emissions perspective, therefore, road pricing should be introduced as a complement to fuel duty rather than a substitute."

Far from reducing the cost of road tax, the report actually recommends significant increases in that, too: "Fuel duty is a potentially powerful lever in encouraging purchase of lower carbon cars (e.g. a 10% increase in petrol prices through a fuel duty increase could result in a 4% decrease in fuel used per kilometre)."

The report concludes that road pricing could be a "useful component of a strategy for transport emissions reduction, and the Committee recommends that this should be seriously considered by the Government."

The committee also suggests that a rigorous enforcement of motorway speed limits - which could possibly be lowered to 60mph - as a way of helping to reduce emissions. It says that this could be done either through an increased use of speed cameras or using Intelligent Speed Adaptation, which could potentially enforce physical speed limits on cars fitted with such technology.

The report also advises that the UK ought to have "3.9 million drivers trained and practicing eco-driving by 2020" and that it wants "240 thousand electric cars and plug-in hybrids by 2015, and 1.7 million by 2020, supported by appropriate charging infrastructure."

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bobbylondonuk

Original Poster:

2,204 posts

212 months

Tuesday 13th October 2009
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Not worth commenting on! Unless the committee wants to stand in front of me and explain it when im revving my V6 RWD car in 1st gear.

vetteheadracer

8,273 posts

275 months

Tuesday 13th October 2009
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Who is this "committee" are what are there qualifications for making these suggestions?

Vehicle Excise Duty is utter bks, the Government should scrap it and just add 5p per litre to fuel duty.

grumbledoak

32,329 posts

255 months

Tuesday 13th October 2009
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Government wants more revenue, and will ream us to get it. Not exactly a shock result.

louismchuge

1,644 posts

206 months

Tuesday 13th October 2009
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lets not get too angry. Why ruin your morning? It's not going to happen

DanBMW

194 posts

206 months

Tuesday 13th October 2009
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No suprise at all the government wants more money. I can just imagine that this 'committee' is a bunch of busy body w@nk!rs.

Edited by DanBMW on Tuesday 13th October 10:49

leon9191

752 posts

215 months

Tuesday 13th October 2009
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How about making low CO2 producing cars much, much cheaper to buy and run, wouldn’t that be a fairer and ultimately better strategy than simply pricing people off the road.

For gods sake people need to drive for all manner of things such as WORK! Going to the shops and general day-to-day living which all in turn help the economy and the world keeps turning.

An even better way to reduce CO2 would be to tax people every time they left the house, hang on they do that already. Ok, start killing human beings then since they are clearly the cause of the CO2 production! (Sarcasm by the way)

It really doesn’t bare thinking about, I mean climate change is clearly an important subject but the clear lack of forward thinking that is employed by the powers that be is also a troubling subject.

900T-R

20,406 posts

279 months

Tuesday 13th October 2009
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Can the Climate Change Comittee explain why the 'trade value' of emission rights for a ton of CO2 is set at 50 euros within the EU, yet the motorist is being fked over for thousands of euros annually and still has to feel guilty about it?


Escort Si-130

3,416 posts

202 months

Tuesday 13th October 2009
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TOTAL 4kin bullshyte. Greedy kants up in Westminster wud ALWAYS get at the motorist for extra money and the UK public is stupid enough to take it. We need a pistonheads revolution!
Even if every car in the UK was solar powered, they wud stil find some cunning way to make some excuse to get money out of people. This carbon 4kery is a load of over exaggerated shyte.

chris5

56 posts

240 months

Tuesday 13th October 2009
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Here we go again, more climate taxation, what difference a little piddling island like ours makes is virtually nil, thank god these bxxxxxds won't be in power much longer, roll on next june!

patmahe

5,899 posts

226 months

Tuesday 13th October 2009
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Most people on the roads are using their cars to get to work, why punish people for trying to earn an income, would they rather we all sat at home and live on social welfare, thats where they seem to be trying to push people.

I've looked into public transport to get to work, and even though I live in a town and work in another both with bus stops, there are no viable public transport links for me to get to work. there is one bus a day in each direction and both leave at about midday. So I need my car to get to work, I'm sick of being charged for the 'privilege', when all I'm trying to do is earn a living.

berkorich

54 posts

249 months

Tuesday 13th October 2009
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The usual politics of envy going after the easiest target as cheaply as possible rather than the most effective one because it may cost them more in time and money to come up with a rational strategy. Car drivers are soft targets with ineffective representation/lobby groups, so we'll fleece them for all we can irrespective of the fact that industry and airlines produce far more CO2.

As has been the case with this government since 1997, looking to take the easy option rather then the effective one.

carmats

45 posts

211 months

Tuesday 13th October 2009
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The only downside would be that my cars gearing tends to be slightly less economical at 60mph in 5th gear than 70 :/

Funk

27,252 posts

231 months

Tuesday 13th October 2009
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And for every gm of CO2 we 'save' here in the UK, the rest of the world increases 10x over. Why are our Government the only ones who seem to be hellbent on fking us over for a make-believe theory?

derek29

41 posts

199 months

Tuesday 13th October 2009
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At the end of the day, the thing on the government`s mind is getting money from us.

My brother runs his car on used vegitable oil that he gets for FREE therefore doesnt pay any fuel tax ect.

His friend also does the same thing, but he bought a storage and filteration tank from the government for something like 2g. And just when you think its all over, he needs to send off a sample of what he is producing to some lab, every 3 months that costs him 300 quid every 3 months! Do that maths, and it is cheaper to just buy deisel from the pump.

And if you own over 2400 liters of it, then you need to pay tax, on something you got for free? Yes, thats the government for you.

Its just madness.

Mclovin

1,679 posts

220 months

Tuesday 13th October 2009
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the world is overpopulated, if we could just get rid of people on these damn committees we could save the world....

Riggers

1,859 posts

200 months

Tuesday 13th October 2009
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vetteheadracer said:
Who is this "committee" are what are there qualifications for making these suggestions?

Vehicle Excise Duty is utter bks, the Government should scrap it and just add 5p per litre to fuel duty.
They are these fine people...

977

448 posts

206 months

Tuesday 13th October 2009
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Interesting, but I'll still keep the V8, thank you very much.

3Dom

345 posts

221 months

Tuesday 13th October 2009
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chris5 said:
Here we go again, more climate taxation, what difference a little piddling island like ours makes is virtually nil, thank god these bxxxxxds won't be in power much longer, roll on next june!
Doesn't the Conservative party lean even more towards the side of eco-wkstains?

leon9191

752 posts

215 months

Tuesday 13th October 2009
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derek29 said:
At the end of the day, the thing on the government`s mind is getting money from us.

My brother runs his car on used vegitable oil that he gets for FREE therefore doesnt pay any fuel tax ect.

His friend also does the same thing, but he bought a storage and filteration tank from the government for something like 2g. And just when you think its all over, he needs to send off a sample of what he is producing to some lab, every 3 months that costs him 300 quid every 3 months! Do that maths, and it is cheaper to just buy deisel from the pump.

And if you own over 2400 liters of it, then you need to pay tax, on something you got for free? Yes, thats the government for you.

Its just madness.
I ran and old 306 diesel on chip fat for a bit but i am lazy and gave up. Funny thing is the price of Veg oil has shot up in the shops over the last few years from 30p a litre to 104.9p a litre strange that isnt it.

Best bet is to run a diesel on RED you can buy it in bulk and fill up at home, obviously its a big no no and of you get caught there is a fine involved but its only 10% of the cars value. if u ran an old smoker worth £500 u could save the potential fine in a week.

Edited by leon9191 on Tuesday 13th October 11:38

tobster911

67 posts

202 months

Tuesday 13th October 2009
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3Dom said:
chris5 said:
Here we go again, more climate taxation, what difference a little piddling island like ours makes is virtually nil, thank god these bxxxxxds won't be in power much longer, roll on next june!
Doesn't the Conservative party lean even more towards the side of eco-wkstains?
Is there any political party that takes a stance against this kind of bullst?
Any government that stands up against this anti-car bks disguised under 'climate' or 'safety' banners would get my vote - it would be the one and only reason I would bother to vote.