F1 2010 - Will it be better than 2009?

[A911DOM]

Bit of an open question with lots and lots of 'ifs and buts' - but what do you guys think?

Will the ban on re-fuelling equal the field out or play into the hands of the experienced teams?

Will we return to 1 or 2 dominant teams as opposed to this year where theres been a real mix at the top?

Will we have a British GP - and where?

Will the new teams be mobile chicanes for the fast boys?

Will we see any overtaking?

Will more manufacturers leave / join F1?

What is the liklihood of the FIA regaining some credibility?

So many questions and we havent finished 2009 yet.

Thoughts / Questions / Opinions please chaps

[Project 644]

Nope. I think this year will go down as a classic.

[Mini1275]

No, i don't think it will be as good as this year, don't think Button will be as good as he was at the start of the year and my moneys on Hamilton for the title.

[Munter]

Mini1275 said:

No, i don't think it will be as good as this year, don't think Button will be as good as he was at the start of the year and my moneys on Hamilton for the title.

Pretty much my thoughts. I suspect with no fuel pitstops the order after the 1st lap will be the order for the race. And McLaren and Ferrari will be back at the top. Brawn/Red Bull behind them. Then Everyone running Cosworth will be at the back.

[Asterix]

I think the rules staying relatively similar will play into the hands of the McLarens and Ferraris of the world and they will be significantly advance of the other teams come the start of the next season and then stay there.

[A911DOM]

Munter said:

Mini1275 said:

No, i don't think it will be as good as this year, don't think Button will be as good as he was at the start of the year and my moneys on Hamilton for the title.

Pretty much my thoughts. I suspect with no fuel pitstops the order after the 1st lap will be the order for the race. And McLaren and Ferrari will be back at the top. Brawn/Red Bull behind them. Then Everyone running Cosworth will be at the back.

Sadly I thought this may be the general feeling

I too am concerned that if Jenson doesnt pull it out of the bag this year, he might find it difficult to get anywhere near again.

[tristancliffe]

Will the ban on re-fuelling equal the field out or play into the hands of the experienced teams? It won't help or hinder many teams in particular.
Will we return to 1 or 2 dominant teams as opposed to this year where theres been a real mix at the top? 3 or 4, as this year.
Will we have a British GP - and where? Yes. Silverstone. Could have told you that a year ago.
Will the new teams be mobile chicanes for the fast boys? No.
Will we see any overtaking? Yes
Will more manufacturers leave / join F1? Probably.
What is the liklihood of the FIA regaining some credibility? Seriously unlikely, unless (perhaps) Vatanen wins

[Fire99]

I really don't know regarding dominant teams.
If i'm right in that the Aero/Design of the cars will be unchanged from 2009, then in outright pace, it's going to be close.
As in raw pace without fuel adjustments the field seems to be extremely close.

Overtaking? Let's face facts. The cars are very close on pace. The aero of the cars doesn't allow cars to follow closely. (unless it's raining).

The current design rules are not going to promote good on-track racing.

[Munter]

Fire99 said:

I really don't know regarding dominant teams.
If i'm right in that the Aero/Design of the cars will be unchanged from 2009, then in outright pace, it's going to be close.

The cars will need to be longer to allow for the extra fuel tank space. And I'm sure that will have an effect on the aero. But how much I'm not clever enouth to know....

[Fire99]

Munter said:

The cars will need to be longer to allow for the extra fuel tank space. And I'm sure that will have an effect on the aero. But how much I'm not clever enouth to know....

True, but my gut feeling is that if the Diffuser & Front/Rear Spoiler rules remain the same along with the relatively modest output engines, then the level of overtaking will the same but without the low/high fuel load effect.

[pauly]

The dwarf will probably ban all cars not running a Cosworth or Ferrari engine!

[Tyranosawus]

If I make it through a whole GP without falling into a boredom induced coma, then yes, if not then no.

[elster]

Munter said:

Fire99 said:

I really don't know regarding dominant teams.
If i'm right in that the Aero/Design of the cars will be unchanged from 2009, then in outright pace, it's going to be close.

The cars will need to be longer to allow for the extra fuel tank space. And I'm sure that will have an effect on the aero. But how much I'm not clever enouth to know....

I remember previously someone saying this wasn't the case.

The current design has the space to allow for the larger fuel cell.

[matt3001]

Project 644 said:

Nope. I think this year will go down as a classic.

Its had interesting races definately. Season as a whole has been awful. Button will win on default because everyone around him (Red Bull etc) has made a comedy of errors. Poor end to the year.

[james_gt3rs]

matt3001 said:

Button will win on default because everyone around him (Red Bull etc) has made a comedy of errors. Poor end to the year.

No, Button will win because of his superb start to the season (possibly due to having the best car?).

[Jungles]

A911DOM said:

Will the ban on re-fuelling equal the field out or play into the hands of the experienced teams?

It won't make much difference, except there will be no fuel-based passing via pit stops.

A911DOM said:

Will we return to 1 or 2 dominant teams as opposed to this year where theres been a real mix at the top?

Hard to tell. But given that the aero regs will remain the same as this season, I think Brawn and Red Bull will almost definitely at the front, with McLaren and Ferrari likely to be join them. Others to watch out for will be Williams and Force India for occasional glory runs on particular tracks.

A911DOM said:

Will we have a British GP - and where?

I think even Bernie will not want to lose the British GP. There will be one, but it's a coin toss between Donington and Silverstone.

A911DOM said:

Will the new teams be mobile chicanes for the fast boys?

Probably for the first few races. Once the European shown begins, they'll start to close the gap.

A911DOM said:

Will we see any overtaking?

I think drivers will now be more willing to take risks for positions on track, as opportunities for passing via pit stops will be reduced. This probably won't result in more overtaking, but I think there will be more wild overtaking attempts.

A911DOM said:

Will more manufacturers leave / join F1?

Probably not.

A911DOM said:

What is the liklihood of the FIA regaining some credibility?

Depends on who is elected as the president. With Todt, no. With Vatanen, maybe.

[fadeaway]

james_gt3rs said:

matt3001 said:

Button will win on default because everyone around him (Red Bull etc) has made a comedy of errors. Poor end to the year.

No, Button will win because of his superb start to the season (possibly due to having the best car?).

I think you're both right. If button manages to not throw it away it'll be because he had by far the best car for the first half of the session (achieved by Honda spending an extra year developing it) which he drove very well, combined with everyone else messing up for the second half when they were faster but couldn't put together a run of results.

I like Button, he also drove very well during the first half of the session. I hope he wins. I also like Brawn GP. But I can see them both fading to mid-field status next year. Button's averaged 3 points a race for the last 8 races. That's very, very poor, and not champion level stuff.

Brawn are also having to keep developing their 09 car because they haven't managed to wrap up both titles. That puts them at a disadvantage next year. I think that Red Bull will be strong next year, I hope Brawn are. But I wouldn't be surprised if Ferrari and McLaren spank everyone else in 2010.

Edited by fadeaway on Friday 16th October 11:15

Edited by fadeaway on Friday 16th October 15:44

[anonymousposter]

fadeaway said:

But I wouldn't be surprised if Ferrari and McLaren don't spank everyone else in 2010.

Isn't it easier to say you'd be surprised if Ferrari and McLaren spank everyone else?

[fadeaway]

anonymousposter said:

fadeaway said:

But I wouldn't be surprised if Ferrari and McLaren don't spank everyone else in 2010.

Isn't it easier to say you'd be surprised if Ferrari and McLaren spank everyone else?

Easier, yes. But it still wouldn't have been want I meant

Updated to read:

what fadeaway meant to say said:

But I wouldn't be surprised if Ferrari and McLaren spank everyone else in 2010.

[EdJ]

Whilst there won't be fuel pit stops, there will still be tyre pit stops won't there?