Women without children should be allowed maternity leave
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"74% of female employees want 6 months' paid leave."
Is that surprising? What about blokes? I'm just surprised it's so low. The other 26% must be in managerial positions.
As for the whole notion of maternity leave, that f
king scares me. As a small business owner, I'll never employ a woman. Why the hell would I opt to pay someone a salary for doing fk all and then have to pay someone else to do the job she is doing??? That does not make sense to me. (Well done to all you small business owners who disagree.)
Is that surprising? What about blokes? I'm just surprised it's so low. The other 26% must be in managerial positions.
As for the whole notion of maternity leave, that f
king scares me. As a small business owner, I'll never employ a woman. Why the hell would I opt to pay someone a salary for doing fk all and then have to pay someone else to do the job she is doing??? That does not make sense to me. (Well done to all you small business owners who disagree.)Shoot Blair said:
Maternity leave is ridiculous socialist meddling in my opinion.
Want a kid? Good, you will have made all the necessary provisions then, including money.
But better maternity leave, with the mother returning to work afterwards and not opting out, than paying people to breed and not work either before or after pregnancy. Want a kid? Good, you will have made all the necessary provisions then, including money.
What really gets me is that if I want to pay a child minder to raise my child, whilst my wife goes back to work, I get tax relief on childcare vouchers.
However, if I want my wife to stop work and actually have my children's MOTHER raise them, I get no help at all! How totally screwed up is that. It hardly promotes family values when it is more cost effective to employ someone else to raise your children
However, if I want my wife to stop work and actually have my children's MOTHER raise them, I get no help at all! How totally screwed up is that. It hardly promotes family values when it is more cost effective to employ someone else to raise your children
SGirl said:
Shoot Blair said:
Maternity leave is ridiculous socialist meddling in my opinion.
Want a kid? Good, you will have made all the necessary provisions then, including money.
But better maternity leave, with the mother returning to work afterwards and not opting out, than paying people to breed and not work either before or after pregnancy. Want a kid? Good, you will have made all the necessary provisions then, including money.
We shouldnt encourage people to breed unless the families are self supporting.
Edited by rich1231 on Friday 16th October 11:33
rich1231 said:
SGirl said:
Shoot Blair said:
Maternity leave is ridiculous socialist meddling in my opinion.
Want a kid? Good, you will have made all the necessary provisions then, including money.
But better maternity leave, with the mother returning to work afterwards and not opting out, than paying people to breed and not work either before or after pregnancy. Want a kid? Good, you will have made all the necessary provisions then, including money.
We shoulnt encourage people to breed unless the families are self supporting.
rich1231 said:
SGirl said:
Shoot Blair said:
Maternity leave is ridiculous socialist meddling in my opinion.
Want a kid? Good, you will have made all the necessary provisions then, including money.
But better maternity leave, with the mother returning to work afterwards and not opting out, than paying people to breed and not work either before or after pregnancy. Want a kid? Good, you will have made all the necessary provisions then, including money.
We shoulnt encourage people to breed unless the families are self supporting.
There are plenty of talented jobseekers who would gladly fill a position rather than a temp come in and just as they are getting to grips, the woman comes back, is unable to do meetings, isn't really sure about whether she wants to do it, kid is ill, she is late, etc, etc. It's not really in the mothers interest, or the child's for that matter that mother returns to her job.
It strikes me this legislation is the produce of ball busting woomans rahts Germaine Greer types than those of common sense, in the context of supply and demand.
I'd like to see an opinion thread on it. Sadly, I can't start one of those.
Is maternity leave a handicap to "getting the job done"
Yes.( )
No. ( )
People always like to have their cake and eat it. Current legislation is a handicap to "getting the job done" in my opinion, let alone more pandering.
Nice to see that the meddling departments are meddling as usual.
If they give women 6 months paid leave when not actually pregnant it would be sexual descrimination not to give it to men as well surely?
Apparently (dont remember myself) my mum's maternity leave amounted to 2 months. Stopped work 2 weeks before I was extracted, started back 6 or so after.
Really cannot disagree strongly enough with the notion referenced earlier in this thread that having a stay home mother will instill better values in a child. You need to choose your childminder better if thats the case as mine managed to supplment my parents' efforts just fine.
Apparently (dont remember myself) my mum's maternity leave amounted to 2 months. Stopped work 2 weeks before I was extracted, started back 6 or so after.
Really cannot disagree strongly enough with the notion referenced earlier in this thread that having a stay home mother will instill better values in a child. You need to choose your childminder better if thats the case as mine managed to supplment my parents' efforts just fine.
I popped out in the company car yesterday and LBC was on. The topic was of equal opportunity having a diverse effect on women in the workplace, and maternity leave was the biggest concern. Pretty much every caller said that it makes women of child bearing age unemployable.
Personally, i've seen too many women (1 would be too many TBH) return to work after maternity leave and then decide (yeah it wasn't planned) to leave soon after. An absolute pain in the backside for the employer.
The employee should be made to work for a minimum period following the company paying them for 6 months.... as well as a replacement.
I must confess to not reading the link in the OP, but I thought i'd mention yesterday's radio program.
Personally, i've seen too many women (1 would be too many TBH) return to work after maternity leave and then decide (yeah it wasn't planned) to leave soon after. An absolute pain in the backside for the employer.
The employee should be made to work for a minimum period following the company paying them for 6 months.... as well as a replacement.
I must confess to not reading the link in the OP, but I thought i'd mention yesterday's radio program.
Wow, I think we need to start redressing the balance on this thread! I totally appreciated ShadownINja's point about the impact of maternity leave on small businesses, but we do need people to reproduce!
Being selfish, I need there to be enough young people to be working and paying taxes to provide me with services, care and support when I'm old!
I totally agree that if people can't afford to raise kids then they shouldn't have them, but we can't stop people from having kids, while leaves us helping out financially when they do.
Being selfish, I need there to be enough young people to be working and paying taxes to provide me with services, care and support when I'm old!
I totally agree that if people can't afford to raise kids then they shouldn't have them, but we can't stop people from having kids, while leaves us helping out financially when they do.
fadeaway said:
Wow, I think we need to start redressing the balance on this thread! I totally appreciated ShadownINja's point about the impact of maternity leave on small businesses, but we do need people to reproduce!
Being selfish, I need there to be enough young people to be working and paying taxes to provide me with services, care and support when I'm old!
I totally agree that if people can't afford to raise kids then they shouldn't have them, but we can't stop people from having kids, while leaves us helping out financially when they do.
Looking at the ever worsening overcrowding on this planet and the stripping of natural resources by our endless reproduction I'm not sure I agree with you on our 'need' for people to reproduce.Being selfish, I need there to be enough young people to be working and paying taxes to provide me with services, care and support when I'm old!
I totally agree that if people can't afford to raise kids then they shouldn't have them, but we can't stop people from having kids, while leaves us helping out financially when they do.
fadeaway said:
I totally agree that if people can't afford to raise kids then they shouldn't have them, but we can't stop people from having kids, while leaves us helping out financially when they do.
Is there a slight contradiction in there?if people can't afford to raise kids then they shouldn't have them
leaves us helping out financially when they do
The second principle doesn't follow from the first, surely.
As to affording kids, there's one group that can afford it anytime, those on benefits.
In terms of the topic, giving leave from work and paying women maternity pay when there's no maternity is plainly bonkers.
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