The 'truth' about the EU?
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I have just been given this link : http://eutruth.org.uk/
It all seems pretty sensationalist (I hope) but a lot of it has a ring of truth to it.
have i been suckered in to another conspiracy website? ;hehe:
It all seems pretty sensationalist (I hope) but a lot of it has a ring of truth to it.
have i been suckered in to another conspiracy website? ;hehe:
The bottom line is (regardless of ANY conspiracy thread) the EU hasn't had it's accounts signed off for 10 years plus.
Can you really trust any company which acted like that? (Of course, a "company" would be shut down on that basis, but the EU, and it's rather dodgy finances, just keeps rolling on, thanks to taxpayer's money)..
Can you really trust any company which acted like that? (Of course, a "company" would be shut down on that basis, but the EU, and it's rather dodgy finances, just keeps rolling on, thanks to taxpayer's money)..
Agreed, but there is some pretty inflammatory accusations in this link, to name one:
"Westminster's five year term expires on 5th May 2010 and a British General Election is due. The six treaties make no provision for an election to our Parliament. If by that time the EU feels it has consolidated its absolute power, it will use it to cancel that election and to close Westminster."
A lot of people have made predictions that we won't have another election, perhaps they were right!
"Westminster's five year term expires on 5th May 2010 and a British General Election is due. The six treaties make no provision for an election to our Parliament. If by that time the EU feels it has consolidated its absolute power, it will use it to cancel that election and to close Westminster."
A lot of people have made predictions that we won't have another election, perhaps they were right!
Jasandjules said:
The bottom line is (regardless of ANY conspiracy thread) the EU hasn't had it's accounts signed off for 10 years plus.
Neither has the UK, which is probably why it's bankrupt twice over.The EU has tried to stop MEPs from employing family members, but the UK MEPs have been up in arms and have kyboshed the motion.
I tell you, the UK is too corrupt even for the EU, I reckon.
Parrot of Doom said:
That website is a load of sensationalist bulls
t. It offers not a single trustworthy reliable source that I can see.
The normal defence would be "That is because they are not talking about it" t. It offers not a single trustworthy reliable source that I can see.
Are you actually disputing the content, or just saying we should reserve judgement until the accusations are verified?
I assume all the facts and figures about EU stuff are easily checkable.
Edited by Hedders on Saturday 17th October 23:10
Just a quick look at that site would suggest that it's something to do with UKIP - the colours are UKIP colours.
But I've never seen David Noakes mentioned in any UKIP stuff I get. I'll ask and get back to you.....if I remember!
If you want he truth about the EU and how bad it is for us in the UK ask UKIP directly.
But I've never seen David Noakes mentioned in any UKIP stuff I get. I'll ask and get back to you.....if I remember!
If you want he truth about the EU and how bad it is for us in the UK ask UKIP directly.
Hedders said:
Agreed, but there is some pretty inflammatory accusations in this link, to name one:
"Westminster's five year term expires on 5th May 2010 and a British General Election is due. The six treaties make no provision for an election to our Parliament. If by that time the EU feels it has consolidated its absolute power, it will use it to cancel that election and to close Westminster."
A lot of people have made predictions that we won't have another election, perhaps they were right!
The question is would closing westminster be a problem?"Westminster's five year term expires on 5th May 2010 and a British General Election is due. The six treaties make no provision for an election to our Parliament. If by that time the EU feels it has consolidated its absolute power, it will use it to cancel that election and to close Westminster."
A lot of people have made predictions that we won't have another election, perhaps they were right!
Its not like they do anything useful
The EU 'closing' Westminster. Right. I can really see that happening, can't you?
How will they enforce it, with tanks?
Its typical hysterical bullst.
Note the last paragraph
How will they enforce it, with tanks?
Its typical hysterical bulls
t.silly website said:
The end of the Lib-Dem, Labour and Conservative Parties
Page 16 Article 8A-4. “Political parties at European level contribute to forming European political awareness and to expressing the will of citizens of the Union.”
What does this mean? At the EU’s Party Financing Conference in Madrid in June 1999, parties at the European level were defined as parties with voters in more than 10 countries. The Labour, Conservative and Lib Dem Parties have voters in only one country, Britain.
Under this clause, British parties do not contribute and do not express the will of the EU’s citizens. That empowers the EU to abolish our Lib Lab Con, the very parties whose leaderships have worked so hard to illegally force us into the EU.
Not possible? Read the ½ page 1933 German Enabling Act. It didn’t mention political parties, but was used to abolish them. Given Lisbon removes the last 20% of Westminster’s powers, it makes perfect sense to close Westminster when its current five year term expires in May 2010. By then, it will have been powerless and defunct for 17 months.
Page 16 Article 8A-4. “Political parties at European level contribute to forming European political awareness and to expressing the will of citizens of the Union.”
What does this mean? At the EU’s Party Financing Conference in Madrid in June 1999, parties at the European level were defined as parties with voters in more than 10 countries. The Labour, Conservative and Lib Dem Parties have voters in only one country, Britain.
Under this clause, British parties do not contribute and do not express the will of the EU’s citizens. That empowers the EU to abolish our Lib Lab Con, the very parties whose leaderships have worked so hard to illegally force us into the EU.
Not possible? Read the ½ page 1933 German Enabling Act. It didn’t mention political parties, but was used to abolish them. Given Lisbon removes the last 20% of Westminster’s powers, it makes perfect sense to close Westminster when its current five year term expires in May 2010. By then, it will have been powerless and defunct for 17 months.
Note the last paragraph Edited by Parrot of Doom on Sunday 18th October 10:25
skeggysteve said:
Just a quick look at that site would suggest that it's something to do with UKIP - the colours are UKIP colours.
But I've never seen David Noakes mentioned in any UKIP stuff I get. I'll ask and get back to you.....if I remember!
If you want he truth about the EU and how bad it is for us in the UK ask UKIP directly.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5214022.stmBut I've never seen David Noakes mentioned in any UKIP stuff I get. I'll ask and get back to you.....if I remember!
If you want he truth about the EU and how bad it is for us in the UK ask UKIP directly.
I'm not surprised they don't like to mention him. He's a nutter.
I'm aware that there seems to be an inevitability about the EUSSR.
Conspiracy is just a perjorative word for "planning". There does appear to be a plan, since:-
1. The "Eurozone" are struggling like hell with a strong Euro. This is a bad advert for being a part of it.
2. The EU accounts are in a terrible mess, they don't even add up. Would you want to be a part of something that couldn't even sort it's accounts out.
3. It is anti-democratic. We are meant to be (lol) pro-democratic.
4. Westminster seems to know best on these decisions and is making Pro-Homogenation steps for us.
On the face of it, it does seem to be totally inevitable and creeping towards a eurostate Britain.
The local councils have plans for all sorts of things, from planning to minerals extraction.
Why do I have to be convinced that the EU project is just a piece of improvisation that is drifting along.
Conspiracy? I'm not sure. I wonder if it's just an opportunity for greedy people of all backgrounds to cut themselves in on some good redistribution of wealth. It doesn't seem to be in any (non politico) individuals interest otherwise. I'm not sure there is a masterplan, I think that the creep along is due to the successive toadying and jostling for power/position that these people are cutting themselves. We merely hear about how great it is and the actual evidence available, for instance the PIIGS crisis, is swept under the carpet. I do find this very strange.
I think it is inevitable as the people making the decisions stand to be even more rich, even more powerful.
Remembering the IRA may be a worthwhile task to consider, as not all people take this process lying down, or are very happy about it.
For something so important that we as a country have no say in it, it seems odd how the detail of problems, accounts, finance, who is doing what, where it is all going seem glossed over.
That website is clearly the product of a total nutter, but the question remains.
Where is it all going?
Conspiracy is just a perjorative word for "planning". There does appear to be a plan, since:-
1. The "Eurozone" are struggling like hell with a strong Euro. This is a bad advert for being a part of it.
2. The EU accounts are in a terrible mess, they don't even add up. Would you want to be a part of something that couldn't even sort it's accounts out.
3. It is anti-democratic. We are meant to be (lol) pro-democratic.
4. Westminster seems to know best on these decisions and is making Pro-Homogenation steps for us.
On the face of it, it does seem to be totally inevitable and creeping towards a eurostate Britain.
The local councils have plans for all sorts of things, from planning to minerals extraction.
Why do I have to be convinced that the EU project is just a piece of improvisation that is drifting along.
Conspiracy? I'm not sure. I wonder if it's just an opportunity for greedy people of all backgrounds to cut themselves in on some good redistribution of wealth. It doesn't seem to be in any (non politico) individuals interest otherwise. I'm not sure there is a masterplan, I think that the creep along is due to the successive toadying and jostling for power/position that these people are cutting themselves. We merely hear about how great it is and the actual evidence available, for instance the PIIGS crisis, is swept under the carpet. I do find this very strange.
I think it is inevitable as the people making the decisions stand to be even more rich, even more powerful.
Remembering the IRA may be a worthwhile task to consider, as not all people take this process lying down, or are very happy about it.
For something so important that we as a country have no say in it, it seems odd how the detail of problems, accounts, finance, who is doing what, where it is all going seem glossed over.
That website is clearly the product of a total nutter, but the question remains.
Where is it all going?
hornet said:
I tend not to pay much attention to anything I read on a website with "Truth" in the title, as they usually tend to be conspiracy nutjobs. In fact, I'd go as far as saying the more times someone uses the word truth on their website, the less likely it is to actually contain any.
It is a fairly reasonable position to take.Much the same as when someone says "honest" in a conversation........
Shoot Blair said:
2. The EU accounts are in a terrible mess, they don't even add up. Would you want to be a part of something that couldn't even sort it's accounts out.
3. It is anti-democratic. We are meant to be (lol) pro-democratic.
Again, is this the EU or the UK you're talking about?3. It is anti-democratic. We are meant to be (lol) pro-democratic.
heebeegeetee said:
Shoot Blair said:
2. The EU accounts are in a terrible mess, they don't even add up. Would you want to be a part of something that couldn't even sort it's accounts out.
3. It is anti-democratic. We are meant to be (lol) pro-democratic.
Again, is this the EU or the UK you're talking about?3. It is anti-democratic. We are meant to be (lol) pro-democratic.
Despite our level of f
kedupness, it would seem unwise to square it. For the record, are you a skeptic?
The UK is probably the bigger totalitarian nightmare of the two, however, I think that there will be a period of time where we have to put up with both, thus having a compound of worse worlds.
Jasandjules said:
The bottom line is (regardless of ANY conspiracy thread) the EU hasn't had it's accounts signed off for 10 years plus.
Can you really trust any company which acted like that? (Of course, a "company" would be shut down on that basis, but the EU, and it's rather dodgy finances, just keeps rolling on, thanks to taxpayer's money)..
The reason the EU presents qualifies accounts is precisely because it uses private companies. I have never known any sensible organisation know precisely what it employees are actually doing every second of every day. It is this reason why services purchaed by EU money must be 100 percent verified in order get the accounts signed off. Qualifies accounts just prove common sense prevails. THere are however perdantic little wCan you really trust any company which acted like that? (Of course, a "company" would be shut down on that basis, but the EU, and it's rather dodgy finances, just keeps rolling on, thanks to taxpayer's money)..
kers in both the EU and our civil service who cannot see why spending 200 million to find 7pence is a bad idea. Instead of flogging these wnakers until they understand we keep employing them.
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