Why do Police and Firemen get to retire at 50?
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A friend told me today that the Police and Firebrigade get to retire on a full pension at something like 50 after 30 odd years service!!
Is this correct?
Are we the taxpayer expected to pay them a good pension from this age and at the same time pay for some one to replace them so a double whammy for the taxpayer. I mean come on 50.. it's nothing you, still have years ahead of you.
Now I know there jobs are challenging but come on is it any more stressfull than most people jobs? I mean these guys have security once they get in the force it's highly unusaul for one to get sacked I mean even the boys who shot the Brazillian on the tube are still working!!!
If there not fit enought to pound the beat stick them in an office job until there 65/66 and lets give the taxpayer some value!!
Is this correct?
Are we the taxpayer expected to pay them a good pension from this age and at the same time pay for some one to replace them so a double whammy for the taxpayer. I mean come on 50.. it's nothing you, still have years ahead of you.
Now I know there jobs are challenging but come on is it any more stressfull than most people jobs? I mean these guys have security once they get in the force it's highly unusaul for one to get sacked I mean even the boys who shot the Brazillian on the tube are still working!!!
If there not fit enought to pound the beat stick them in an office job until there 65/66 and lets give the taxpayer some value!!
G20RG B said:
A friend told me today that the Police and Firebrigade get to retire on a full pension at something like 50 after 30 odd years service!!
Is this correct?
Are we the taxpayer expected to pay them a good pension from this age and at the same time pay for some one to replace them so a double whammy for the taxpayer. I mean come on 50.. it's nothing you, still have years ahead of you.
Now I know there jobs are challenging but come on is it any more stressfull than most people jobs? I mean these guys have security once they get in the force it's highly unusaul for one to get sacked I mean even the boys who shot the Brazillian on the tube are still working!!!
If there not fit enought to pound the beat stick them in an office job until there 65/66 and lets give the taxpayer some value!!
Couldn't agree moreIs this correct?
Are we the taxpayer expected to pay them a good pension from this age and at the same time pay for some one to replace them so a double whammy for the taxpayer. I mean come on 50.. it's nothing you, still have years ahead of you.
Now I know there jobs are challenging but come on is it any more stressfull than most people jobs? I mean these guys have security once they get in the force it's highly unusaul for one to get sacked I mean even the boys who shot the Brazillian on the tube are still working!!!
If there not fit enought to pound the beat stick them in an office job until there 65/66 and lets give the taxpayer some value!!
Fittster said:
GekkoRules said:
They also contribute a large % of salary into the pension.
So they would be happy to have a private pension, unless they aren't in fact contributing enough to fund themselves for 35+ years.
k.The point I was making was we, the taxpayer, don't carry the whole cost.
The other factors like - risking your life , having to have something to attract new recruits are also strong arguments for.....
Police have to do 30yrs service before they can retire on a full pension under the old pension scheme.
Under the new scheme it is 35yrs.
If an officer joined at 20, then they would retire at 50.
Bear in mind that not every officer joins at 18. I joined at 26 and therefore will be 61 when i retire. Given the nature of the job we do, the life-expectancy of a police officer is lower than the national average.
What about the forces then? Can retire after 22yrs with full pension can you not? Not everyone who joins sees front line action, there are alot of desk drivers retiring after 22yrs.
Under the new scheme it is 35yrs.
If an officer joined at 20, then they would retire at 50.
Bear in mind that not every officer joins at 18. I joined at 26 and therefore will be 61 when i retire. Given the nature of the job we do, the life-expectancy of a police officer is lower than the national average.
What about the forces then? Can retire after 22yrs with full pension can you not? Not everyone who joins sees front line action, there are alot of desk drivers retiring after 22yrs.
illmonkey said:
Its not like these people put their life on the line every shift they work for crap pay is it?
Not renowned for being a dangerous job, is it. Commercial drivers I think have more risk, as do Oil Rig workers, merchant seamen, etc. Danger isn't really a good enough reason.http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/2195847.stm
(I work at sea by the way, I'm a freaking hero
)Edited by 6655321 on Tuesday 20th October 15:15
6655321 said:
Not renowned for being a dangerous job, is it. Commercial drivers I think have more risk, as do Oil Rig workers, merchant seamen, etc. Danger isn't really a good enough reason.
Hmmm, let's see... Since I've been in the job, I've been:- Shouted and sworn at on a weekly basis by members of the "public".
- Pushed, spat on, pissed on, kicked, strangled, scratched, bitten, slapped and punched.
- Petrol bombed and coined/missiled in the last lot of rioting.
- Threatened with a variety of knives, broken bottles, sticks, metal bars and syringes.
- Driven at (while I was on foot) and deliberately rammed while I've been in a car.
- Doused with vomit, blood, faeces, urine, paint, oil and acid.
In order to keep those the force as full of as many capable, willing, fit and healthy individuals as possible.
Realistically do you honestly begrudge them early retirement than yourself?
Heres something that will piss you off, GP's can retire at 60-65 depending on sex, get a final salary pension (Circa 70k a year) then carry on working the very next day, same practice, same 120K a year salary.
Suddenly the bobbies and firemen don't seam like such a bunch of bds do they.
Realistically do you honestly begrudge them early retirement than yourself?
Heres something that will piss you off, GP's can retire at 60-65 depending on sex, get a final salary pension (Circa 70k a year) then carry on working the very next day, same practice, same 120K a year salary.
Suddenly the bobbies and firemen don't seam like such a bunch of b
ds do they.DO you want your fire engine staffed with guys sufferring arthritis and senial dementia....?
And in terms of the armed forces, the reason the pension off the majority is more complex. When soldiers get older, they are less likely to follow orders without thinking about the consequences. They are more likely to question the legality and morality of what they are being told to do. Its far easier to mould the mind of an 18 year old then it is a 38 year old. Plus you have the rank structure which dictates that you have a 'pyramid' shape in terms of positions available. If you dont force out otherwise perfectly able bodied people at some stage you end up with a 'work force' of old farts, not gung-ho can do youngsters. You dont want the country defended by a bunch of 'seen it all before' types. If you didnt offer reasonably attractive pension terms you couldnt enforce a compulsory early retirement age.
And in terms of the armed forces, the reason the pension off the majority is more complex. When soldiers get older, they are less likely to follow orders without thinking about the consequences. They are more likely to question the legality and morality of what they are being told to do. Its far easier to mould the mind of an 18 year old then it is a 38 year old. Plus you have the rank structure which dictates that you have a 'pyramid' shape in terms of positions available. If you dont force out otherwise perfectly able bodied people at some stage you end up with a 'work force' of old farts, not gung-ho can do youngsters. You dont want the country defended by a bunch of 'seen it all before' types. If you didnt offer reasonably attractive pension terms you couldnt enforce a compulsory early retirement age.
Dibble said:
6655321 said:
Not renowned for being a dangerous job, is it. Commercial drivers I think have more risk, as do Oil Rig workers, merchant seamen, etc. Danger isn't really a good enough reason.
Hmmm, let's see... Since I've been in the job, I've been:- Shouted and sworn at on a weekly basis by members of the "public".
- Pushed, spat on, pissed on, kicked, strangled, scratched, bitten, slapped and punched.
- Petrol bombed and coined/missiled in the last lot of rioting.
- Threatened with a variety of knives, broken bottles, sticks, metal bars and syringes.
- Driven at (while I was on foot) and deliberately rammed while I've been in a car.
- Doused with vomit, blood, faeces, urine, paint, oil and acid.
At least give the poor b
ds something to look forward to.Keep up the good work I say. All the folk moaning will probably be the same people moaning there aren't enough Police on the streets.
And before you say " Well we could get more if we didn't pay them such big pensions", no you f
king couldn't. Without the pension you couldn't recruit anyone you complete fking morons.Mr E said:
illmonkey said:
Its not like these people put their life on the line every shift they work for crap pay is it?
How many policemen were killed doing their job over the last 5 years?How many firemen?
I don't necessary mean killed, but attached, injured etc. My brother is a paramedic, seems to get threatened more than I'd want.
Mr E said:
illmonkey said:
Its not like these people put their life on the line every shift they work for crap pay is it?
How many policemen were killed doing their job over the last 5 years?How many firemen?
thats a low rate if you ask me. 35 have been killed where i work in the last 10 years, i reckon construction etc. woukld be even higher.
thats not the point though is it? having to deal with pikey scummers day in day out works more in their favour imo.
someone mentioned the forces, don't you get out on full pension in 12yrs if a mil pilot?
personally i think the very fact they receive a public funded [and therefore virtually guaranteed] pension is incentive enough and they should do 40yrs service before receiving it.
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