Club MSV Endurance Racing
Discussion
That sounded so interesting that I had a quick look to see what I could find;
http://www.motorsportvision.co.uk/news/article.asp...
http://www.motorsportvision.co.uk/news/article.asp...
I'm struggling to see the differences to something like 750MC Stock Hatch, but I guess having the might of MSV behind it would be very useful. They still have the same license and safety requirements (which is obviously a good thing) so I think the idea is just that they're stressing a diverse field of low-cost cars... the sort of thing you might see at a track day.
I like the power to weight classes. That is good for sorting out different cars so that it is competitive.
In fact I like it all, no turbo charged nonsence with 500bhp available to blast past everything. Money will still rule the day, but perhaps to a lesser extent?
I'm probably being selfish as I have a 205 which works with this idea, although I am not sure on the 'lasting an hours race' without some electrical drama!
In fact I like it all, no turbo charged nonsence with 500bhp available to blast past everything. Money will still rule the day, but perhaps to a lesser extent?
I'm probably being selfish as I have a 205 which works with this idea, although I am not sure on the 'lasting an hours race' without some electrical drama!
I like the idea kinda. But say I wanted to enter my MX5. I'd still have to cage it etc. Then plan on a trailer for when/if I stuff it and all the usual associated costs. I can't see it being any cheaper than entering the MX5/MR2 championships. In fact unless they ban modifications to be competitive I'd see it being very expensive.
Guys - glad you like the idea!
We're only in the planning stages at the moment but the feedback so far has been good so we hope to take this to the next stage in the near future.
We (Club MSV) already offer driver training and race licence tests over and above our trackday events. We have all the facilities to get someone onto the grid and as the news piece says, withthe help of MSVR (the racing department of MSV), we want to create a fun and relaxed series (and effectively a one stop shop) helping trackday drivers get into racing.
The idea behind the two drivers per car is so that both the fun and costs can be shared between two (or possibly more). I personally wouldn't want to go racing by myself. However, doing it with someone else and sharing the excitment of finding a car and then stripping it out, taking it on circuit for the first time etc. really appealed. It also means you're sharing the (possibly) nerve racking experience of a first test day / race.
Between four of us here at Brands, we've bought a Porsche 944 for £1400 (http://www.clubmsv.com/car-home/project-track-car.aspx) and we plan on getting it ready for next season so that hopefully, subject to their being enough interest, we can take part in the series as well!
However, we really want feedback from potential drivers about what you might want. So if you're interested, have a read: (http://www.clubmsv.com/car-home/news/club-msv-racing.aspx) and let us know what you think! As I mentioned at the start of the post, nothing is confirmed yet so any ideas at all are welcome!
Thanks,
Alex
Club MSV
clubmsvracing@motorsportvision.co.uk
We're only in the planning stages at the moment but the feedback so far has been good so we hope to take this to the next stage in the near future.
We (Club MSV) already offer driver training and race licence tests over and above our trackday events. We have all the facilities to get someone onto the grid and as the news piece says, withthe help of MSVR (the racing department of MSV), we want to create a fun and relaxed series (and effectively a one stop shop) helping trackday drivers get into racing.
The idea behind the two drivers per car is so that both the fun and costs can be shared between two (or possibly more). I personally wouldn't want to go racing by myself. However, doing it with someone else and sharing the excitment of finding a car and then stripping it out, taking it on circuit for the first time etc. really appealed. It also means you're sharing the (possibly) nerve racking experience of a first test day / race.
Between four of us here at Brands, we've bought a Porsche 944 for £1400 (http://www.clubmsv.com/car-home/project-track-car.aspx) and we plan on getting it ready for next season so that hopefully, subject to their being enough interest, we can take part in the series as well!
However, we really want feedback from potential drivers about what you might want. So if you're interested, have a read: (http://www.clubmsv.com/car-home/news/club-msv-racing.aspx) and let us know what you think! As I mentioned at the start of the post, nothing is confirmed yet so any ideas at all are welcome!
Thanks,
Alex
Club MSV
clubmsvracing@motorsportvision.co.uk
Edited by Club MSV on Thursday 22 October 15:20
Munter I guess the idea behind not banning the modifications is so that people who set out to do trackdays(me for example) have already made quite a few changes.
The following are a few things I have changed; running a 16v engine rather than an 8v, a LSD. If there were heavy rules on modification I wouldn't stand a chance of being able to play.
Setting classes with BHP/weight is about as close as you are going to get when trying to group my 205 with your mx5 for example. I guess it would make it a bit more about trying to increase driver skill and perhaps the handling side of things. It would be good to put a financial cap on it IMO, but it is impossible to police I would think. Money will usually win, but it doesn't mean the rest can't have just as much fun for considerably lower risk!
The following are a few things I have changed; running a 16v engine rather than an 8v, a LSD. If there were heavy rules on modification I wouldn't stand a chance of being able to play.
Setting classes with BHP/weight is about as close as you are going to get when trying to group my 205 with your mx5 for example. I guess it would make it a bit more about trying to increase driver skill and perhaps the handling side of things. It would be good to put a financial cap on it IMO, but it is impossible to police I would think. Money will usually win, but it doesn't mean the rest can't have just as much fun for considerably lower risk!
Nice job Alex, and might I add - what a cracking project car you've got there (we did talk about this when I was at Brands in the summer, taking my ARDS test - I was in the white 944 S2).
The Club MSV Endurance Racing idea is good. Just a thought on the "mandatory" driver swap - it might work out better/attract a bigger grid if the swap is optional, with a minimum time spent in the pit box (say, 30-60 seconds?).
This would be similar to what they have in Classic Sports Car Club series, so that there's the option to share the drive, but not a requirement, as sometimes it's not possible/practical to share a car. One example (off the top of my head) would be a significant difference in drivers' height/build - the driver seat will need to be moved and belts adjusted under race conditions.
I've seen people in CSCC races fumbling their belts and losing time; I'd imagine sorting out the driving position and adjusting belts being a bit of a pain to do "as quickly as possible"!
The Club MSV Endurance Racing idea is good. Just a thought on the "mandatory" driver swap - it might work out better/attract a bigger grid if the swap is optional, with a minimum time spent in the pit box (say, 30-60 seconds?).
This would be similar to what they have in Classic Sports Car Club series, so that there's the option to share the drive, but not a requirement, as sometimes it's not possible/practical to share a car. One example (off the top of my head) would be a significant difference in drivers' height/build - the driver seat will need to be moved and belts adjusted under race conditions.
I've seen people in CSCC races fumbling their belts and losing time; I'd imagine sorting out the driving position and adjusting belts being a bit of a pain to do "as quickly as possible"!
Jon_Bmw said:
Munter I guess the idea behind not banning the modifications is so that people who set out to do trackdays(me for example) have already made quite a few changes.
The following are a few things I have changed; running a 16v engine rather than an 8v, a LSD. If there were heavy rules on modification I wouldn't stand a chance of being able to play.
Setting classes with BHP/weight is about as close as you are going to get when trying to group my 205 with your mx5 for example. I guess it would make it a bit more about trying to increase driver skill and perhaps the handling side of things. It would be good to put a financial cap on it IMO, but it is impossible to police I would think. Money will usually win, but it doesn't mean the rest can't have just as much fun for considerably lower risk!
Jon - you've hit the nail on the head regarding the limited number of regs and grouping on BHP/weight.The following are a few things I have changed; running a 16v engine rather than an 8v, a LSD. If there were heavy rules on modification I wouldn't stand a chance of being able to play.
Setting classes with BHP/weight is about as close as you are going to get when trying to group my 205 with your mx5 for example. I guess it would make it a bit more about trying to increase driver skill and perhaps the handling side of things. It would be good to put a financial cap on it IMO, but it is impossible to police I would think. Money will usually win, but it doesn't mean the rest can't have just as much fun for considerably lower risk!
We haven't discussed a fianacial cap but it's an idea. We aren't looking to attract £10k plus cars! More around the £3k mark, a list of ideas for cars is on the CMSV website but we've already had suggestions for alternatives!
teabagger said:
What is the reason behind the cars over 10 years old rule?
We're simply trying to give an idea of what and who the series is aimed at. Nothing is confirmed yet so if you think that you'd like to enter your MNR - drop us an email to confirm your interest we can add you to the list of those interested (clubmsvracing@motorsportvision.co.uk)Have you designed this series for me?;)
I would say my car owes me about 3 bags! I really like the idea and with some fine tuning, I reckon it could be very popular with people. Dependant on popularity you might consider splitting the country in two(or more) because southern fairies like me get scared after the midlands!!
I would say my car owes me about 3 bags! I really like the idea and with some fine tuning, I reckon it could be very popular with people. Dependant on popularity you might consider splitting the country in two(or more) because southern fairies like me get scared after the midlands!!
Munter said:
I like the idea kinda. But say I wanted to enter my MX5. I'd still have to cage it etc. Then plan on a trailer for when/if I stuff it and all the usual associated costs. I can't see it being any cheaper than entering the MX5/MR2 championships. In fact unless they ban modifications to be competitive I'd see it being very expensive.
Hi Munter,Yes you would need to cage your MX5 as per the MSAs specifications and tbh even if you were planning on turing it into a trackday car I'd recommend this. As Jon BMW has said - we don't want to attract 500BHP beasts but at the same time, we don't want to limit modificiations too much so that trackday drivers who have already modified their cars can't take part.
It probably won't end up being a lot cheaper than the MX5 or MR2 championships but at the end of the day, unfortuantely racing is an expensive hobby. We simply want to offer the help novice race drivers need, every step of the way and build a friendly fun series at the same time.
A.Wang said:
Nice job Alex, and might I add - what a cracking project car you've got there (we did talk about this when I was at Brands in the summer, taking my ARDS test - I was in the white 944 S2).
Cheers Andy!A.Wang said:
The Club MSV Endurance Racing idea is good. Just a thought on the "mandatory" driver swap - it might work out better/attract a bigger grid if the swap is optional, with a minimum time spent in the pit box (say, 30-60 seconds?).
This would be similar to what they have in Classic Sports Car Club series, so that there's the option to share the drive, but not a requirement, as sometimes it's not possible/practical to share a car. One example (off the top of my head) would be a significant difference in drivers' height/build - the driver seat will need to be moved and belts adjusted under race conditions.
A number of people have already mentioned this, asking if they can compete on their own. I can't see this being a problem as long as the mandatory "pit-stop" takes place. And we know the difference in driver height all too well. (I've mentioned this in Part 3 of the Porsche build but there is more on it in Part 4!).This would be similar to what they have in Classic Sports Car Club series, so that there's the option to share the drive, but not a requirement, as sometimes it's not possible/practical to share a car. One example (off the top of my head) would be a significant difference in drivers' height/build - the driver seat will need to be moved and belts adjusted under race conditions.
Edited by Club MSV on Thursday 22 October 16:03
A.Wang said:
Club MSV said:
We aren't looking to attract £10k plus cars!
Ah, that'd rule my 944 S2 out then. 
It's prep'd to the Porsche Club Championship regulations and meets/exceeds the minimum MSA safety requirements for club racing...I've definitely breached the £10k barrier a while ago.
A)Nothing has been decided yet!
B) The initial concept was for a budget series but we've also had drivers like yourself who like the idea but they have cars which are too powerful / modified / expensive. Register your details on the email and if we get enough interest for a "£10k plus" category, I'll be sure to let you know!
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