RE: Cars To Drive Themselves By 2019
RE: Cars To Drive Themselves By 2019
Monday 26th October 2009

Cars To Drive Themselves By 2019

New research aims to loosen your grip on the steering wheel


Would you trust your life to a trucker?
Would you trust your life to a trucker?
Commuter 'road trains' of electronically-linked vehicles driving themselves could be with us sooner than we thought, as a new EU-funded research project gets off the ground.

Project SARTRE (Safe Road Trains For The Environment) is being launched to develop and test technology for vehicles that can drive themselves in long road trains, potentially improving traffic flow and journey times, reducing accidents and reducing emissions. It is being led by Ricardo here in the UK, and the group also includes the Volvo Car Corporation.

SARTRE was officially inaugurated last month, and their new press release invites us to “imagine leaving home in the morning and, just after joining the motorway, meeting up with a number of other cars which inch up to each other, travelling at normal speed in a close-formation convoy. After a few minutes you can let go of the steering wheel and spend your time reading the morning paper, talking on the phone or watching the TV, while your car drives itself in complete safety and also saving fuel!”

The group’s researchers suggest that road trains can become reality within a decade:

“The first test cars equipped with this technology will roll on test tracks as early as 2011. The vehicles will be equipped with a navigation system and a transmitter/receiver unit that communicates with a lead vehicle. Since the system is built into the cars, there is no need to extend the infrastructure along the existing road network.

The idea is that each road train or platoon will have a lead vehicle that drives exactly as normal, with full control of all the various functions. This lead vehicle is driven by an experienced driver who is thoroughly familiar with the route. For instance, the lead may be taken by a taxi, a bus or a truck. Each such road train will consist of six to eight vehicles.

“A driver approaching his destination takes over control of his own vehicle, leaves the convoy by exiting off to the side and then continues on his own to his destination. The other vehicles in the road train close the gap and continue on their way until the convoy splits up,” they reckon.

“I do appreciate that many people feel this sounds like Utopia, says Erik Coelingh, technical director of Active Safety Functions at Volvo Cars.  However, this type of autonomous driving actually doesn’t require any hocus-pocus technology, and no investment in infrastructure. Instead, the emphasis is on development and on adapting technology that is already in existence. In addition, we must carry out comprehensive testing to verify our high demands on safety.”

Researchers see road trains primarily as a major benefit to commuters who cover long distances by motorway every day, but they will also be of potential benefit to trucks, buses, coaches vans and other commercial vehicle types.

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BigTaf

Original Poster:

46 posts

231 months

Monday 26th October 2009
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what happens when lead veical leaves the motorway? every in the train follows or you just have a crash?

robert_raw

81 posts

214 months

Monday 26th October 2009
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lets hope windows vista doesn't power this. I can't say i would want to put my life or my familys life at risk by buying into one of these things.

Each to their own, i actually like driving and wouldn't want to bother anyway.

pistolp

1,719 posts

244 months

Monday 26th October 2009
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Do you post this stuff to wind people up? As if this is going to happen within 10 years.

absolutely crackers

RB Will

10,613 posts

262 months

Monday 26th October 2009
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God help us all if we are having our cars guided by bloody taxi drivers. Better go buy an old banger

dwilkie

2,222 posts

208 months

Monday 26th October 2009
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BigTaf said:
what happens when lead veical leaves the motorway? every in the train follows or you just have a crash?
I'd assume from the sound of it that the lead vehicle just keeps driving to the end of the motorway, like a designated service type of thing? That's what it sounds like to me anyway!

loomx

327 posts

247 months

Monday 26th October 2009
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1. Bus & Taxi drivers are the worst drivers on the roads
2. What happenes for example when someone fits their car with rubbish tyres. The lead car emergancy stops and the car a few inches behind plows into it.

Idea is stupid and flawed, If I read one my "environment" plan/Initiative/lie I am going to scream!

Give up on trying to blame cars! the environment does what it does! FOR GODS SAKE cows give out more CO2 than cars every year.

clarencegi77

100 posts

215 months

Monday 26th October 2009
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will that work at high speed, and what happens when the first person gets into an accident. immediate pileup occours. even if it turns out to be perfectly safe and all, supposing you no longer want to be the one driving along the motorway, how is the system gonna choose who has to pay attention at the wheel? i mean, if there are like, enough lazy people all you'd have to do when tasked to drive is overtake the person in front and thus steal their 'train' and all the people behind would have to drive on their own, or they could form a new train, only to have the first perrson of their train cut into another train, and it all repeats again and again..

Mr Gear

9,416 posts

212 months

Monday 26th October 2009
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If planes can fly themselves, then why not? I could have done with a nap on my 2hr trip on the A12 last night.

I do wonder what carnage would ensue though if the system didn't work exactly to plan...

CypherP

4,417 posts

214 months

Monday 26th October 2009
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I understand their reasoning for this and I think in a commuter environment, it's a good idea. However, all control is lost when one vehicle is driven by an 'experienced driver'. If they're going as far as to have a series of vehicles electronically linked, then why not jut make all vehicles in the chain able to follow a specific route or pattern?

I suppose it's gotta be better than using public transport?...

Snoggledog

8,960 posts

239 months

Monday 26th October 2009
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If it's for motorways only then it's not a bad idea. At least I'll be able to have a kip until I hit my A or B road when I can take over and have fun.

[AJ]

3,079 posts

220 months

Monday 26th October 2009
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BS said:
Safe Road Trains For The Environment
Whoever came up with that ignorant, jejune political crap needs waterboarding.

Anubis

1,029 posts

201 months

Monday 26th October 2009
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There is 1 MASSIVE flaw in this - unpredictable events.

Example; everyone driving along and suddenly a child or animal runs out infront of the lead vehicle and is too close so an inevitable crash occurs. What happens to all the others behind them? Will they be programmed to avoid the accident infront of them? Do they stop (because 1 human will no doubt want to stop and help another)?

Sounds fairly straight forward when you think of "car trains", but in reality too much can happen that would end in total disaster. Think beyond just "on the road" type stuff - anything could happen. What about pot holes we avoid that would damage the car? Or a road sign / cone that has managed to get itself into the main road that you have to avoid.

Humans make mistakes, but our brains are extremely complex - more so than any computer of today (computers are only as good as the person that programmed them).


ploz

89 posts

251 months

Monday 26th October 2009
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The technology is already with us and has been tested (see project Prometheus - the European one, not the NASA one). Autonomous cars are feasable and will be on our roads as soon as customer acceptance becomes a reality. There are leagl issues to sort out - i.e. who is responsible for system failures: the operator, the system designer, the user.....

Just with automatic systems, public acceptance takes time. Its hard to beleive now, but when automatic lifts were introduced, they still had a lift operator on board because the public did not trust the system. Now, automatic systems are everywhere. The transition to autonomous systems will probably be very similar - just a lot quicker.

pantalooons

23 posts

210 months

Monday 26th October 2009
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It would only take one failure which caused a fatality to kill the system off.

Why is it always the owners and drivers of cars that are persecuted by Brussels?

sh33n

194 posts

209 months

Monday 26th October 2009
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No need to worry.

I'll be the grey car in lane 2.

New Scot

208 posts

253 months

Monday 26th October 2009
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On the M8/M80 quite a few seem to drive like that in the morning rush anyway! Asleep, on the phone, listening to car-shaking stereos! And without lights in the gloomy wet mornings so they hope no-one will see them...

Still driving in Scotland's miles better than in the South once you get off the motorways!

jsr

1,155 posts

272 months

Monday 26th October 2009
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With regards to unexpected events, i guess the idea is that all the vehicles can communicate with each other and activate brakes, steering etc fast enough to avoid any concertina effect. The moment the lead vehicle brakes, all vehicles in the train brake within a tiny fraction of a second. This is not unreasonable to expect.

It's certainly a better system than tailgating humans that take at least half a second to even register an emergency and then apply the brakes.

I wont be fitting it to my TVR though smile

anonymous-user

76 months

Monday 26th October 2009
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Surely the whole point of driving a car is that 'you' have control ?!?!?

If each car was independently controlled and maintained its separation by its own onboard computer/GPS alone then I could maybe see something like this happening, but to trust an 'expert driver' whom you have never met - well I wouldn't do it, would you? That sort of thing's only acceptable when there's no alternative (like being on a bus, train or plane etc).

And who's going to want to volunteer to be a dedicated 'experienced driver' - having 7 computer controlled tailgating idiots glued to your back bumper ?!?!?

TheRoadWarrior

1,242 posts

200 months

Monday 26th October 2009
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scientists said:
I do appreciate that many people feel this sounds like Utopia
Sounds more like the future-from-hell to me, kinda Marty's alternate 1985..

On a more serious note, how much use would this be? I cant think of any journey i do where i'm on the motorway for more than say 40miles, even assuming your 'lead' vehicle stays on the whole time you do it's not gonna be long to read the paper.

There are many-many techincal and other hurdles to cross on this one, not least legal aspects- " Its wasnt me govnor.. it was the lead vehicle!"

Not going to be on a road near you any time soon- certainly not by 2012.. i doubt even 2019. Interesting research tho..

paul.deitch

2,275 posts

279 months

Monday 26th October 2009
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and don't forget the personal flying machines, the robot vacuum cleaners and kitchen maids and all the other day dreams from the 60s. Why does Pistonheads of all places repeat this drivel?