Is Labour Facist?
Discussion
To start with, I found 2 definitions of facist but it is clear there is no universal agreement.
1) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
2) A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
Labour is led by Brown who was not elected, refused to step down under immense pubic pressure and pressure from the HOP.
Labour would, if they could get away with it, pass laws preventing you from having a freedom of speech and making it illegal from voting for a party of your choice, they have already done this is the Police and other services (ie, BNP (irrespective of if you think its right or wrong))
Labour have given our money to the banks and are getting more and more involved in how companies are run.
Labour are trying to tax the rich more and more moving us towards socioeconic controls.
We are constantly made to be in fear (climate change, bird flu, swine flu, road pricing etc..etc..)
The only difference I can see is that Labour are not racist.
Personally I think we are heading for a major meltdown if we dont get rid of 'Flash' Gordon soon. Who gives a crap about the BNP when we have a leader who is pushing through as many unpopular socialist changes as possible before he gets ousted !
We need a party that actually represents what we want and not that of a near-fascist socialist self serving nut case.
Thoughts?
1) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
2) A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
Labour is led by Brown who was not elected, refused to step down under immense pubic pressure and pressure from the HOP.
Labour would, if they could get away with it, pass laws preventing you from having a freedom of speech and making it illegal from voting for a party of your choice, they have already done this is the Police and other services (ie, BNP (irrespective of if you think its right or wrong))
Labour have given our money to the banks and are getting more and more involved in how companies are run.
Labour are trying to tax the rich more and more moving us towards socioeconic controls.
We are constantly made to be in fear (climate change, bird flu, swine flu, road pricing etc..etc..)
The only difference I can see is that Labour are not racist.
Personally I think we are heading for a major meltdown if we dont get rid of 'Flash' Gordon soon. Who gives a crap about the BNP when we have a leader who is pushing through as many unpopular socialist changes as possible before he gets ousted !
We need a party that actually represents what we want and not that of a near-fascist socialist self serving nut case.
Thoughts?
Edited by bakerjuk on Monday 26th October 12:47
bakerjuk said:
Labour is led by Brown who was not elected, refused to step down under immense pubic pressure and pressure from the HOP.
Yes he was elected actually—by his constituents. In this country, we do not vote for a Prime Minister.bakerjuk said:
Labour would, if they could get away with it, pass laws preventing you from having a freedom of speech and making it illegal from voting for a party of your choice, they have already done this is the Police and other services (ie, BNP (irrespective of if you think its right or wrong))
Bulls
bakerjuk said:
Labour have given our money to the banks and are getting more and more involved in how companies are run.
They haven't given anything away.bakerjuk said:
Labour are trying to tax the rich more and more moving us towards socioeconic controls.
This isn't news.bakerjuk said:
We are constantly made to be in fear (climate change, bird flu, swine flu, road pricing etc..etc..)
Really, I'm not in fear. Nobody is making me do anything.If you think we're living in a fascist state, you're quite deluded. People used to say almost exactly the same manner of things about Margaret Thatcher.
Really, so no English people whatsoever live in Brown's constituency? How do you know that once the BNP's constitution is amended that the police would not be allowed to join? Would you have preferred the banks to collapse? Are you suggesting that under a conservative government I would only be required to pay tax for services I did receive?
I'm no Labour supporter but some people don't half talk some right s
t.
I'm no Labour supporter but some people don't half talk some right s

Parrot of Doom said:
Really, so no English people whatsoever live in Brown's constituency? How do you know that once the BNP's constitution is amended that the police would not be allowed to join? Would you have preferred the banks to collapse? Are you suggesting that under a conservative government I would only be required to pay tax for services I did receive?
I'm no Labour supporter but some people don't half talk some right s
t.
Of course people live in Brown consituency, that means they effectively have more say now over politics than you or I. Democracy at work. I'm no Labour supporter but some people don't half talk some right s

When people voted for Labour you cant honestly tell me that they voted for Labour and not for the leader. If you do then you are truly dont understand voter paterns.
If Brown was indeed wanted why would the public have made such an attempt to oust him? And when we did, why did he not hold a general election?
He is a dictator and wont give up his power unless he has to, he is doing everything he can at the moment to draw attention away from himself and onto other parties. This BNP thing is just a smoke screen for labours pure incompetance.
I put it to you sir that YOU are talking tosh...
bakerjuk said:
He is a dictator
Of course he isn't. What a puerile statement.He's a bright bloke, but out of his depth and deeply unpopular. He was democratically elected to be a member of parliament, and was chosen by his party to lead it.
His mandate is questionable, as are his 'policies' but in no way a dictatorship.
ypauly said:
Parrot of Doom said:
Really, so no English people whatsoever live in Brown's constituency? How do you know that once the BNP's constitution is amended that the police would not be allowed to join? Would you have preferred the banks to collapse? Are you suggesting that under a conservative government I would only be required to pay tax for services I did receive?
I'm no Labour supporter but some people don't half talk some right s
t.
1.If they lived in Browns contituency wouldn't they be considered Scotish?I'm no Labour supporter but some people don't half talk some right s

2.The police (i may be corrected on this)arn't allowed to have political allegiance.
3.yes i would prefer market forces over political medling.
4.No I am suggesting that under a labour goverment you pay twice as much tax for less service
in the ten years to 1997 tories collected £700 billion
in the ten years to 2007 labour collect 1.4 Trillion DOUBLE
how often do you get your bins emptied?
how do you feel about crime rates? have you tried to report a crime lately (don't bother it f

and dont forget EDUCATION EDUCATION EDUCATION smaller class sises and all that. How much bigger have they got?
You're suggesting that police officers aren't allowed to become a member of a political party (BNP excepted)?
You'd rather have seen the banking system collapse completely?

You're saying that I now pay twice the tax I once did? I don't. Neither does anyone else.
My bins get emptied every week.
Why are you raising other points? Going off on a tangent, are we? I wonder why.
bakerjuk said:
Of course people live in Brown consituency, that means they effectively have more say now over politics than you or I. Democracy at work.
When people voted for Labour you cant honestly tell me that they voted for Labour and not for the leader. If you do then you are truly dont understand voter paterns.
If Brown was indeed wanted why would the public have made such an attempt to oust him? And when we did, why did he not hold a general election?
He is a dictator and wont give up his power unless he has to, he is doing everything he can at the moment to draw attention away from himself and onto other parties. This BNP thing is just a smoke screen for labours pure incompetance.
I put it to you sir that YOU are talking tosh...
When people voted for Labour you cant honestly tell me that they voted for Labour and not for the leader. If you do then you are truly dont understand voter paterns.
If Brown was indeed wanted why would the public have made such an attempt to oust him? And when we did, why did he not hold a general election?
He is a dictator and wont give up his power unless he has to, he is doing everything he can at the moment to draw attention away from himself and onto other parties. This BNP thing is just a smoke screen for labours pure incompetance.
I put it to you sir that YOU are talking tosh...



Parrot of Doom said:
You're saying that I now pay twice the tax I once did? I don't. Neither does anyone else.
I think that you will find a great number of people ARE infact paying slightly more than double the tax they were before Brown came to power. Remember the 10p tax band? It was around only 18 months or so ago, but has been abolished. Now people who WERE paying 10p tax per £, those people earning less than £18,000 (from what I remember) are now paying 22p tax per £. I believe that, and correct me if I am wrong, that that is MORE than double the tax that they were paying.
The figures will depend on whether you look at a particular rate of tax, income tax in total, or the overall tax burden.
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Alfachick said:
Parrot of Doom said:
You're saying that I now pay twice the tax I once did? I don't. Neither does anyone else.
I think that you will find a great number of people ARE infact paying slightly more than double the tax they were before Brown came to power. Remember the 10p tax band? It was around only 18 months or so ago, but has been abolished. Now people who WERE paying 10p tax per £, those people earning less than £18,000 (from what I remember) are now paying 22p tax per £. I believe that, and correct me if I am wrong, that that is MORE than double the tax that they were paying.
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