Is Labour Facist?
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bakerjuk

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268 posts

208 months

Monday 26th October 2009
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To start with, I found 2 definitions of facist but it is clear there is no universal agreement.

1) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

2) A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.


Labour is led by Brown who was not elected, refused to step down under immense pubic pressure and pressure from the HOP.

Labour would, if they could get away with it, pass laws preventing you from having a freedom of speech and making it illegal from voting for a party of your choice, they have already done this is the Police and other services (ie, BNP (irrespective of if you think its right or wrong))

Labour have given our money to the banks and are getting more and more involved in how companies are run.

Labour are trying to tax the rich more and more moving us towards socioeconic controls.

We are constantly made to be in fear (climate change, bird flu, swine flu, road pricing etc..etc..)

The only difference I can see is that Labour are not racist.


Personally I think we are heading for a major meltdown if we dont get rid of 'Flash' Gordon soon. Who gives a crap about the BNP when we have a leader who is pushing through as many unpopular socialist changes as possible before he gets ousted !

We need a party that actually represents what we want and not that of a near-fascist socialist self serving nut case.

Thoughts?


Edited by bakerjuk on Monday 26th October 12:47

Justayellowbadge

37,057 posts

259 months

Monday 26th October 2009
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I don't believe Labour has discriminated against anyone on the basis of their facial characteristics, no.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

272 months

Monday 26th October 2009
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bakerjuk said:
The only difference I can see is that Labour are not racist.
Wroong...they discriminate strongly against the white race

Alex

9,978 posts

301 months

Monday 26th October 2009
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Yes, they are facist! If your face doesn't fit...

Oh, you meant fascist...

bakerjuk

Original Poster:

268 posts

208 months

Monday 26th October 2009
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ok ok .. I made a typo.

EDLT

15,421 posts

223 months

Monday 26th October 2009
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Alex said:
Yes, they are facist! If your face doesn't fit...
...you can have a job.

This guy's face is practically falling off, no wonder he is the leader:


bakerjuk

Original Poster:

268 posts

208 months

Monday 26th October 2009
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laugh

Maybe thats why his own party turned against him at one point.

Edited by bakerjuk on Monday 26th October 12:58

stackmonkey

5,081 posts

266 months

Monday 26th October 2009
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bakerjuk said:
Labour is led by Brown who was not elected, refused to step down under immense pubic pressure and pressure from the HOP.
Preserved for posterity...

HarryW

15,601 posts

286 months

Monday 26th October 2009
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mybrainhurts said:
bakerjuk said:
The only difference I can see is that Labour are not racist.
Wroong...they discriminate strongly against the white English race
EFA

bakerjuk

Original Poster:

268 posts

208 months

Monday 26th October 2009
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stackmonkey said:
bakerjuk said:
Labour is led by Brown who was not elected, refused to step down under immense pubic pressure and pressure from the HOP.
Preserved for posterity...
clap I am king of the Kaybord

Parrot of Doom

23,075 posts

251 months

Monday 26th October 2009
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bakerjuk said:
Labour is led by Brown who was not elected, refused to step down under immense pubic pressure and pressure from the HOP.
Yes he was elected actually—by his constituents. In this country, we do not vote for a Prime Minister.

bakerjuk said:
Labour would, if they could get away with it, pass laws preventing you from having a freedom of speech and making it illegal from voting for a party of your choice, they have already done this is the Police and other services (ie, BNP (irrespective of if you think its right or wrong))
Bullst, and I suspect if the BNP's constitution is changed as seems likely the police may be allowed to join.

bakerjuk said:
Labour have given our money to the banks and are getting more and more involved in how companies are run.
They haven't given anything away.

bakerjuk said:
Labour are trying to tax the rich more and more moving us towards socioeconic controls.
This isn't news.

bakerjuk said:
We are constantly made to be in fear (climate change, bird flu, swine flu, road pricing etc..etc..)
Really, I'm not in fear. Nobody is making me do anything.


If you think we're living in a fascist state, you're quite deluded. People used to say almost exactly the same manner of things about Margaret Thatcher.

Parrot of Doom

23,075 posts

251 months

Monday 26th October 2009
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Really, so no English people whatsoever live in Brown's constituency? How do you know that once the BNP's constitution is amended that the police would not be allowed to join? Would you have preferred the banks to collapse? Are you suggesting that under a conservative government I would only be required to pay tax for services I did receive?

I'm no Labour supporter but some people don't half talk some right st.

bakerjuk

Original Poster:

268 posts

208 months

Monday 26th October 2009
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Parrot of Doom said:
Really, so no English people whatsoever live in Brown's constituency? How do you know that once the BNP's constitution is amended that the police would not be allowed to join? Would you have preferred the banks to collapse? Are you suggesting that under a conservative government I would only be required to pay tax for services I did receive?

I'm no Labour supporter but some people don't half talk some right st.
Of course people live in Brown consituency, that means they effectively have more say now over politics than you or I. Democracy at work.
When people voted for Labour you cant honestly tell me that they voted for Labour and not for the leader. If you do then you are truly dont understand voter paterns.

If Brown was indeed wanted why would the public have made such an attempt to oust him? And when we did, why did he not hold a general election?

He is a dictator and wont give up his power unless he has to, he is doing everything he can at the moment to draw attention away from himself and onto other parties. This BNP thing is just a smoke screen for labours pure incompetance.

I put it to you sir that YOU are talking tosh...

Justayellowbadge

37,057 posts

259 months

Monday 26th October 2009
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bakerjuk said:
He is a dictator
Of course he isn't. What a puerile statement.

He's a bright bloke, but out of his depth and deeply unpopular. He was democratically elected to be a member of parliament, and was chosen by his party to lead it.

His mandate is questionable, as are his 'policies' but in no way a dictatorship.

Parrot of Doom

23,075 posts

251 months

Tuesday 27th October 2009
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ypauly said:
Parrot of Doom said:
Really, so no English people whatsoever live in Brown's constituency? How do you know that once the BNP's constitution is amended that the police would not be allowed to join? Would you have preferred the banks to collapse? Are you suggesting that under a conservative government I would only be required to pay tax for services I did receive?

I'm no Labour supporter but some people don't half talk some right st.
1.If they lived in Browns contituency wouldn't they be considered Scotish?
2.The police (i may be corrected on this)arn't allowed to have political allegiance.
3.yes i would prefer market forces over political medling.
4.No I am suggesting that under a labour goverment you pay twice as much tax for less service
in the ten years to 1997 tories collected £700 billion
in the ten years to 2007 labour collect 1.4 Trillion DOUBLE

how often do you get your bins emptied?
how do you feel about crime rates? have you tried to report a crime lately (don't bother it fks up the figures)
and dont forget EDUCATION EDUCATION EDUCATION smaller class sises and all that. How much bigger have they got?
So let me get this straight. You're saying that if I moved to Scotland, and voted in a general election, I'd become Scottish?

You're suggesting that police officers aren't allowed to become a member of a political party (BNP excepted)?

You'd rather have seen the banking system collapse completely? rofl

You're saying that I now pay twice the tax I once did? I don't. Neither does anyone else.

My bins get emptied every week.


Why are you raising other points? Going off on a tangent, are we? I wonder why.

Parrot of Doom

23,075 posts

251 months

Tuesday 27th October 2009
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bakerjuk said:
Of course people live in Brown consituency, that means they effectively have more say now over politics than you or I. Democracy at work.
When people voted for Labour you cant honestly tell me that they voted for Labour and not for the leader. If you do then you are truly dont understand voter paterns.

If Brown was indeed wanted why would the public have made such an attempt to oust him? And when we did, why did he not hold a general election?

He is a dictator and wont give up his power unless he has to, he is doing everything he can at the moment to draw attention away from himself and onto other parties. This BNP thing is just a smoke screen for labours pure incompetance.

I put it to you sir that YOU are talking tosh...
roflroflrofl

Alfachick

1,639 posts

214 months

Tuesday 27th October 2009
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Parrot of Doom said:
You're saying that I now pay twice the tax I once did? I don't. Neither does anyone else.
I think that you will find a great number of people ARE infact paying slightly more than double the tax they were before Brown came to power. Remember the 10p tax band? It was around only 18 months or so ago, but has been abolished. Now people who WERE paying 10p tax per £, those people earning less than £18,000 (from what I remember) are now paying 22p tax per £.
I believe that, and correct me if I am wrong, that that is MORE than double the tax that they were paying.

turbobloke

112,886 posts

277 months

Tuesday 27th October 2009
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The figures will depend on whether you look at a particular rate of tax, income tax in total, or the overall tax burden.

Tax burden up 50 pc under Labour

Report says the tax burden has risen by half under Labour, squeezing household finances and stifling the UK's economic growth, a new report claims today.

s2art

18,942 posts

270 months

Tuesday 27th October 2009
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I reckon its fair to say that NuLab have adopted many of the bad aspects of fascism, and none of the good things. (they cant even make the trains run on time)

Parrot of Doom

23,075 posts

251 months

Wednesday 28th October 2009
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Alfachick said:
Parrot of Doom said:
You're saying that I now pay twice the tax I once did? I don't. Neither does anyone else.
I think that you will find a great number of people ARE infact paying slightly more than double the tax they were before Brown came to power. Remember the 10p tax band? It was around only 18 months or so ago, but has been abolished. Now people who WERE paying 10p tax per £, those people earning less than £18,000 (from what I remember) are now paying 22p tax per £.
I believe that, and correct me if I am wrong, that that is MORE than double the tax that they were paying.
Well you must be the only person in the country who pays only income tax then.