Just watched Mega factories 'Ferrari'

[Gring]

What I dont understand is when you buy a new Ferrari or any car really you need to run them in, right? So how is it that after a Ferrari is built it is test driven around Ferrari's track really fiercly. They were testing things like traction control etc, I am sure this would not be done keeping the revs below 3000 rpm and by the look of the footage it isnt.

[Muzzer]

IINM, and I stand to be corrected, the engine is run in on the bench before it is installed.

The test drive around Fiorano and the surrounding hills is just to make sure everything works at full pelt. They know that when you pick up your new Ferrari you're going to give it some beans so run and test accordingly...

[Gring]

I take it that this is not the same for Lamborghini.

[ferrari spider]

Good documentary that mega factoriesFerrari. What surprised me is that very little has realy changed in the 599 production compared to the 456s. The 456 bodies were dipped into the same anti corrosion vats as the 599, and the same laser measurement devices were used. One of the new additions in the 599 production, is the Romeo and Juliet valve seat machine. Heres an identical video of the 456 being manufactured, you will see alot of similarities. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cN-ogN6wIk

[Andy 308GTB]

Gring said:

What I dont understand is when you buy a new Ferrari or any car really you need to run them in, right? So how is it that after a Ferrari is built it is test driven around Ferrari's track really fiercly. They were testing things like traction control etc, I am sure this would not be done keeping the revs below 3000 rpm and by the look of the footage it isnt.

My father was at Fords for many years (45-ish!) and some 20 years ago he told me that modern engines didn't require running in because the tolerances were so fine.

[Gring]

Andy 308GTB said:

Gring said:

What I dont understand is when you buy a new Ferrari or any car really you need to run them in, right? So how is it that after a Ferrari is built it is test driven around Ferrari's track really fiercly. They were testing things like traction control etc, I am sure this would not be done keeping the revs below 3000 rpm and by the look of the footage it isnt.

My father was at Fords for many years (45-ish!) and some 20 years ago he told me that modern engines didn't require running in because the tolerances were so fine.

I had heard this too.

But I have been reading Anjum's thread about how he has been running in his Lambo. Does this mean Lamborghini does not give as thorough road testing to it's new cars? Seems crazy to test a car to it's limits, then tell the new owner to run it in.

[ThatPhilBrettGuy]

Running in on most cars is usually more to do with the brakes and tyres these days.

[Jonty355]

What channel was this on, and when? Would really like to see it.

[AndrewD]

Gring said:

But I have been reading Anjum's thread about how he has been running in his Lambo. Does this mean Lamborghini does not give as thorough road testing to it's new cars? Seems crazy to test a car to it's limits, then tell the new owner to run it in.

My dealer also assured me I didn't need to run in my SV and he isn't a muppet. However, I thought for the sake of a few km's I'd do it anyway. Plus it was a sort of new car ritual, an extension of reading about the thing in magazines in the little boy's room, etc.

Besides the engine, I'd always assumed it was to bed in the gearbox and other transmission components.

[Wanta996Gotta]

Gring said:

Andy 308GTB said:

Gring said:

What I dont understand is when you buy a new Ferrari or any car really you need to run them in, right? So how is it that after a Ferrari is built it is test driven around Ferrari's track really fiercly. They were testing things like traction control etc, I am sure this would not be done keeping the revs below 3000 rpm and by the look of the footage it isnt.

My father was at Fords for many years (45-ish!) and some 20 years ago he told me that modern engines didn't require running in because the tolerances were so fine.

I had heard this too.

But I have been reading Anjum's thread about how he has been running in his Lambo. Does this mean Lamborghini does not give as thorough road testing to it's new cars? Seems crazy to test a car to it's limits, then tell the new owner to run it in.

I was going to post this but did not want to get flamed. Friend bought an Audi R8 and the salesman said he did not need to run it in, just go out and enjoy it.

[Gring]

Jonty355 said:

What channel was this on, and when? Would really like to see it.

It was on National Geographic channel at 3PM, I just stuck it on series link. I heard that they had done a similar one on the Lamborghini factory, I was hoping that would be shown also, but I think maybe that will be next season.

[Gring]

AndrewD said:

Gring said:

But I have been reading Anjum's thread about how he has been running in his Lambo. Does this mean Lamborghini does not give as thorough road testing to it's new cars? Seems crazy to test a car to it's limits, then tell the new owner to run it in.

My dealer also assured me I didn't need to run in my SV and he isn't a muppet. However, I thought for the sake of a few km's I'd do it anyway. Plus it was a sort of new car ritual, an extension of reading about the thing in magazines in the little boy's room, etc.

Besides the engine, I'd always assumed it was to bed in the gearbox and other transmission components.

I find it quite amusing when you get someone in a new car normally a volvo, with a notice on the back window saying 'Running in'.

[andrew.]

ThatPhilBrettGuy said:

Running in on most cars is usually more to do with the brakes and tyres these days.

and the driver

[ferrari spider]

Gring said:

Jonty355 said:

What channel was this on, and when? Would really like to see it.

I heard that they had done a similar one on the Lamborghini factory,

Dont think there is one. I have seen all the magafactorys and never the Lamborghini one. Were you hear that? Though there is another show that did a similar documentary on the Lamborghini, its called "Rides". I think its also on the discovery Chanel. Heres a clip
http://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/category/enterta...

Edited by ferrari spider on Tuesday 27th October 16:58

[Gring]

ferrari spider said:

Gring said:

Jonty355 said:

What channel was this on, and when? Would really like to see it.

I heard that they had done a similar one on the Lamborghini factory,

Dont think there is one. I have seen all the magafactorys and never the Lamborghini one. Were you hear that? Though there is another show that did a similar documentary on the Lamborghini, its called "Rides". I think its also on the discovery Chanel. Heres a clip
http://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/category/enterta...

Edited by ferrari spider on Tuesday 27th October 16:58

Just found it, it's actually called ultimate factories, It shows the build process of the Murci. I am downloading it at the moment. You have to get it via a program called 'Graboid Video' www.graboid.com then download a video player. Once you have done that do a search for Lamborghini from within the software and the program appears, you then have the choice of viewing it, or downloading it. I viewed the first couple of mins, then decided to download it. Looks interesting.

Edited by Gring on Tuesday 27th October 17:28

[ferrari spider]

Cool glad your sorted. I do recomend the rides one to.

[F355GTS]

All engines are tested/ run in on the dynos, I think the guy 'testing' a car on the program is a bit of artistic licence, I suspect much of the enthusiastic driving was for the camera

As Chaz said much of the production of the 599 followed a similar path to the earlier V12's inc the same line, the next generation V12 will use the new line, upstairs from but, similar to the new California and 458 line

[Gring]

ferrari spider said:

Cool glad your sorted. I do recomend the rides one to.

Cheers, I will watch that in a bit. Just watched the one I downloaded, it was very interesting, showed the build process of the SV.

[sjn2004]

Wanta996Gotta said:

Gring said:

Andy 308GTB said:

Gring said:

What I dont understand is when you buy a new Ferrari or any car really you need to run them in, right? So how is it that after a Ferrari is built it is test driven around Ferrari's track really fiercly. They were testing things like traction control etc, I am sure this would not be done keeping the revs below 3000 rpm and by the look of the footage it isnt.

My father was at Fords for many years (45-ish!) and some 20 years ago he told me that modern engines didn't require running in because the tolerances were so fine.

I had heard this too.

But I have been reading Anjum's thread about how he has been running in his Lambo. Does this mean Lamborghini does not give as thorough road testing to it's new cars? Seems crazy to test a car to it's limits, then tell the new owner to run it in.

I was going to post this but did not want to get flamed. Friend bought an Audi R8 and the salesman said he did not need to run it in, just go out and enjoy it.

Funny how BMW M cars need to be run in and require an oil change at 1500 miles otherwise the warranty is void. Are they also the only manufacturer that has an illuminated/variable red line dependent on oil temperature?

[Anjum]

AndrewD said:

Gring said:

But I have been reading Anjum's thread about how he has been running in his Lambo. Does this mean Lamborghini does not give as thorough road testing to it's new cars? Seems crazy to test a car to it's limits, then tell the new owner to run it in.

My dealer also assured me I didn't need to run in my SV and he isn't a muppet. However, I thought for the sake of a few km's I'd do it anyway. Plus it was a sort of new car ritual, an extension of reading about the thing in magazines in the little boy's room, etc.

Besides the engine, I'd always assumed it was to bed in the gearbox and other transmission components.

Agreed - it's more about bedding in transmission and gearbox - and having some mechanical sympathy for moving parts.

The SV's (and I think all Lambo's) have a strict bedding in process at the factory on a fully enclosed rolling road - which I think is for about 50 KM - with varying throttle loads and revs. If the car passes this test, it's then taken for a blap up the via de Balboni for final shakedown and sign-off tests.