What do they know..........
What do they know..........
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mightymouse

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1,438 posts

258 months

Wednesday 28th October 2009
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I see on MSN that in the Top 50 :disappointing cars.....................number 19............1980 TVR Tasmin.
How dare they......................furious
Piccie shows an F reg 350i though.... banghead

Wedg1e

27,040 posts

295 months

Wednesday 28th October 2009
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It's only disappointing in hindsight. When it was new you'd have struggled to find anything better for the money. Different maybe, but not necessarily better.
Alas the back-room boys spent the mid/late 80s playing with turbochargers at the same time as CADCAM and the new plastics technologies were making cars lighter...

jeff m

4,066 posts

288 months

Wednesday 28th October 2009
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Not sure it should be number 19 but the Tasmin was not a great step forward if you consider the direction TVR was hoping to go.
It was more expensive but slower than some of its predecesors.

Might have been better if they had "skipped it" and gone straight to the 350.

No need to check profile, I have a 280 biggrin

grahamw48

9,944 posts

268 months

Wednesday 28th October 2009
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The 2.8i Tasmin was quicker than any other car using that spec engine at that time.

It had more sophisticated suspension, rustproof bodywork, separate chassis and luxurious interior, was hand-built and comparatively exclusive.

It is only fair to compare like with like.

Most of the people compiling these ste reports weren't even born in 1980. rolleyes

Wedg1e

27,040 posts

295 months

Thursday 29th October 2009
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grahamw48 said:
The 2.8i Tasmin was quicker than any other car using that spec engine at that time.

It had more sophisticated suspension, rustproof bodywork, separate chassis and luxurious interior, was hand-built and comparatively exclusive.

It is only fair to compare like with like.

Most of the people compiling these ste reports weren't even born in 1980. rolleyes
How was the suspension more sophisticated Graham? Unless you mean that in comparison with a live rear axle and cart springs, TVRs version was somehow better? Had they sneaked a look under the Esprit they'd have seen that even Colin Chapman had admitted the silliness of using the driveshaft as a top link and added a separate one.
TVR even furgled the Cortina front arrangement by switching the tie-rods to be in compression rather than tension, hence the fidgety steering of the early cars. Granted they corrected it (by switching it back to the original setup) but it looks to be a case of trying to hide the Ford bits in some supposed trick installation... which it wasn't.

Luxurious interior.... well yes, if you call brown vinyl, brown cord carpets and granny's-knickers-beige velour luxurious biggrin From my recollections of my Tasmin, most of the carpet was glued directly to GRP, there wasn't any sound-deadening under it.

grahamw48

9,944 posts

268 months

Thursday 29th October 2009
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Yes...I suppose I was comparing to the live axled Capri, and maybe the Scimitar.

Could never understand why they didn't just use the complete Cortina crossmember at the front, and everything already attached to it...including the correct geometry.

Let's not forget (interior and nearly everything else) that 'taste' wasn't a high point of the 80s. hehe

I was a big Lotus fan back then, but only the Esprit was an attractive car in that model range, to my eyes.
The others (Eclat, and the other one that I've forgotten) were...orrible.frown

Edited by grahamw48 on Thursday 29th October 00:35

jeff m

4,066 posts

288 months

Thursday 29th October 2009
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grahamw48 said:
Yes...I suppose I was comparing to the live axled Capri, and maybe the Scimitar.

Could never understand why they didn't just use the complete Cortina crossmember at the front, and everything already attached to it...including the correct geometry.

Let's not forget (interior and nearly everything else) that 'taste' wasn't a high point of the 80s. hehe

I was a big Lotus fan back then, but only the Esprit was an attractive car in that model range, to my eyes.
The others (Eclat, and the other one that I've forgotten) were...orrible.frown

Edited by grahamw48 on Thursday 29th October 00:35
Europa ?

I actually thought the interior of the 280 was the biggest improvement over prev models.

I think the article was probably looking at the 3000M and wondering whether the exra cost was justified. (at the time)

rev-erend

21,623 posts

314 months

Thursday 29th October 2009
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The 350i at the time was descriped in Fane Lane as a rough diamond .. I loved reading about the 350i and all other wedges that evolved from it.

Certainly the start of the most exciting time for TVR smile

grahamw48

9,944 posts

268 months

Thursday 29th October 2009
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jeff m said:
grahamw48 said:
Yes...I suppose I was comparing to the live axled Capri, and maybe the Scimitar.

Could never understand why they didn't just use the complete Cortina crossmember at the front, and everything already attached to it...including the correct geometry.

Let's not forget (interior and nearly everything else) that 'taste' wasn't a high point of the 80s. hehe

I was a big Lotus fan back then, but only the Esprit was an attractive car in that model range, to my eyes.
The others (Eclat, and the other one that I've forgotten) were...orrible.frown

Edited by grahamw48 on Thursday 29th October 00:35
Europa ?

I actually thought the interior of the 280 was the biggest improvement over prev models.

I think the article was probably looking at the 3000M and wondering whether the exra cost was justified. (at the time)
No, not the Europa Jeff (lovely car, and I'd say the predecessor to the Elise).

TVR_owner

3,349 posts

221 months

Thursday 29th October 2009
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Graham, I think you were trying to remember the (Mk II) Elite?

Just a quick point, the top of the range M series cars were more expensive than the earlier Tasmins and had interiors that were to die for with Wilton carpets, East (or is it West..) of England cloth head linings, walnut dashes rather than cheap veneer and quality leather. Tasmins were almost bargain basement spec all round in comparison..but still a cracking car in its day.

Edited by TVR_owner on Thursday 29th October 12:37

Wedg1e

27,040 posts

295 months

Thursday 29th October 2009
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grahamw48 said:
I was a big Lotus fan back then, but only the Esprit was an attractive car in that model range, to my eyes.
The others (Eclat, and the other one that I've forgotten) were...orrible.frown
The original Eclat was IMO a nicely-proportioned car with huge glass areas due to the slender cant rails. When they reshaped it to create the Excel it got a bit fat.

The Elite (the wedge version) was definitely love-it-or-hate-it. Not many loved it.

Incidentally if you think working on the TVR wedge rear brakes is hard, try the Elite/Excel's inboard DRUMS eek
The diff and brakes was (allegedly) lifted from a milk float (double eek) and changing the shoes involves almost a full rear suspension strip.

A Rover V8-engined Esprit ought to be the home mechanic's ideal sports car biggrin

pwd95

8,459 posts

268 months

Thursday 29th October 2009
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The handling on my old Excel was just sublime. It felt like I could enter any corner at any speed & just drive round it, amazing. You'd see your passengers start to grip things on the approach to a corner & be swearing profusley on the way out. hehe

RV8 Esprit would be fab, especially if you could fit the SC Power kit on there & keep it all cool. yes..cloud9

grahamw48

9,944 posts

268 months

Friday 30th October 2009
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Oops... sorry Wyn...didn't realise you'd had a BEAUTIFUL Excel redface

Oh well, any excuse...left to right Wedg1e's old Esprit, a US spec '86 280i,
and my old 390SE, with covered in the background , my S1 280 FHC. smile


grahamw48

9,944 posts

268 months

Friday 30th October 2009
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TVR_owner said:
Graham, I think you were trying to remember the (Mk II) Elite?

Just a quick point, the top of the range M series cars were more expensive than the earlier Tasmins and had interiors that were to die for with Wilton carpets, East (or is it West..) of England cloth head linings, walnut dashes rather than cheap veneer and quality leather. Tasmins were almost bargain basement spec all round in comparison..but still a cracking car in its day.

Edited by TVR_owner on Thursday 29th October 12:37
Hi John smile

Yes, I think it was the S2 Elite I was thinking of.

Oh, and I'll make a point of having a look at that East of England headlining of yours next time you're in the pits. hehe

Well done by the way. smile