Woman about to give birth objected to non-white staff
Woman about to give birth objected to non-white staff
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james_tigerwoods

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16,342 posts

214 months

Thursday 29th October 2009
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I couldn't find this, but it seems pretty outrageous to me:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/beds/bucks/hert...

BBC News said:
A Buckinghamshire hospital has begun an investigation after a woman about to give birth allegedly objected to non-white staff being in the delivery room.
I wonder what the truth behind this is - and if it is true, whether the staff should have just let her get on with it au natural.... What if there hadn't been a non-white doctor on hand - to be honest, even if there was, I think the hospital would have been well within their rights to tell her to f*** off....

jshell

11,557 posts

222 months

Thursday 29th October 2009
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If I'd done that 2 years ago when I was carried into a Nigerian hospital delirious with malaria and chronic food-poisoning I'd have been right up st creek!

thehawk

9,335 posts

224 months

Thursday 29th October 2009
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Think it's fair enough to be honest, various ethnic and religious groups seem to make similar demands, but then I guess they have more rights than white people anymore.

JMGS4

8,846 posts

287 months

Thursday 29th October 2009
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I also wonder about the tructh of this. Was it perhaps an incompetent person dealing with her, who happened to be of another skin shade? Probably something totally innocuous, blown out of proportion by ranting rabid PC socialists or coloureds playing the race card because they were wrong somewhere?....

No place whatsoever for racism IF it's actually true...

Edited by JMGS4 on Thursday 29th October 09:39

bakerjuk

268 posts

208 months

Thursday 29th October 2009
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If thats her preference who are we to judge.
She may very well be deluded in thinking she will get better service from a "white", We also dont know whats happened to this woman in the past and why she is saying these things. So best to just leave her to it rather than judge her based on presumed reasons.

Saying that all nurses are the same regardless of race, religion, weight etc.. may be fine, but I like this example.

Are you less likely to crach in which taxi?

a) Black cab with a fat white guy in London
b) Bashed up cab with fiery Italian in Rome
c) Old Merc with a gilted tissue box in Mumbai

Dont say its down to the city, because the city is down the people.



Dr_Gonzo

961 posts

242 months

Thursday 29th October 2009
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bakerjuk said:
If thats her preference who are we to judge.
She may very well be deluded in thinking she will get better service from a "white", We also dont know whats happened to this woman in the past and why she is saying these things. So best to just leave her to it rather than judge her based on presumed reasons.

Saying that all nurses are the same regardless of race, religion, weight etc.. may be fine, but I like this example.

Are you less likely to crach in which taxi?

a) Black cab with a fat white guy in London
b) Bashed up cab with fiery Italian in Rome
c) Old Merc with a gilted tissue box in Mumbai

Dont say its down to the city, because the city is down the people.
Are YOU more likely to crash in London, Rome, or Mumbai? Remember it's not down to the city. Of course it COULD be down to the fact that driving standards are different in different countries due to factors such as driving tests (if they exist), enforcement of traffic law, road layout and quality etc. Factors which have NOTHING to do with a persons race.

Lefty Guns

18,517 posts

219 months

Thursday 29th October 2009
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JMGS4 said:
I also wonder about the tructh of this. Was it perhaps an incompetent person dealing with her, who happened to be of another skin shade? Probably something totally innocuous, blown out of proportion by ranting rabid PC socialists or coloureds playing the race card because they were wrong somewhere?....

No place whatsoever for racism IF it's actually true...
Pretty much exactly what I thought too when I read it.


bakerjuk

268 posts

208 months

Thursday 29th October 2009
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Dr_Gonzo said:
bakerjuk said:
If thats her preference who are we to judge.
She may very well be deluded in thinking she will get better service from a "white", We also dont know whats happened to this woman in the past and why she is saying these things. So best to just leave her to it rather than judge her based on presumed reasons.

Saying that all nurses are the same regardless of race, religion, weight etc.. may be fine, but I like this example.

Are you less likely to crach in which taxi?

a) Black cab with a fat white guy in London
b) Bashed up cab with fiery Italian in Rome
c) Old Merc with a gilted tissue box in Mumbai

Dont say its down to the city, because the city is down the people.
Are YOU more likely to crash in London, Rome, or Mumbai? Remember it's not down to the city. Of course it COULD be down to the fact that driving standards are different in different countries due to factors such as driving tests (if they exist), enforcement of traffic law, road layout and quality etc. Factors which have NOTHING to do with a persons race.
Really? So the What will be approach in India which is generally down to religion has no bearing whatsoever?
I am not saying there are not other factors, but religion and race etc.. DOES have some bearing and its silly to ignore it. If that woman made her choice I dont see why it should be viewed as a problem. If it means extra costs are incurred then she should pick these up.


FPC

8,147 posts

239 months

Thursday 29th October 2009
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bakerjuk said:
If thats her preference who are we to judge.
Erm, we are. Because it is racist. The situation really is black and white.

FPC

8,147 posts

239 months

Thursday 29th October 2009
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james_tigerwoods said:
I couldn't find this, but it seems pretty outrageous to me:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/beds/bucks/hert...

BBC News said:
A Buckinghamshire hospital has begun an investigation after a woman about to give birth allegedly objected to non-white staff being in the delivery room.
I wonder what the truth behind this is - and if it is true, whether the staff should have just let her get on with it au natural.... What if there hadn't been a non-white doctor on hand - to be honest, even if there was, I think the hospital would have been well within their rights to tell her to f*** off....
What I don't understand is why the hospital is carrying out a 'full investigation'? The story reads to me: racist woman asks for non-white staff to leave. Hospital refuses request. End of story? What is missing here?

Mrs Trackside

9,299 posts

250 months

Thursday 29th October 2009
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JMGS4 said:
I also wonder about the tructh of this. Was it perhaps an incompetent person dealing with her, who happened to be of another skin shade? Probably something totally innocuous, blown out of proportion by ranting rabid PC socialists or coloureds playing the race card because they were wrong somewhere?....

No place whatsoever for racism IF it's actually true...
That's what I thought too. I had to see a gynaecologist at Milton Keynes hospital a few years ago. I'd waited three years to be referred by my doctor for a very painful condition that I'd already had for years, then a nine month wait on the list. I sat in the waiting room for three hours because they make everyone turn up at the same time and the gynaecologist had been called away for an emergency.

By the time it got to my turn, I had the choice of seeing a Nigerian man who I couldn't understand or waiting another hour to see the gynaecologist who I'd been referred to, who happened to be white English.

Given that it had taken me so long to actually see someone, I chose to sit and wait. I didn't care who I saw, what colour they were, what sexuality they were; I simply wanted to be able to understand what they were telling me. Is that racism?

emicen

8,940 posts

235 months

Thursday 29th October 2009
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FPC said:
bakerjuk said:
If thats her preference who are we to judge.
Erm, we are. Because it is racist. The situation really is black and white.
And what if it is racist? As pointed out previously, various ethnic groups make similar demands and nothing is ever heard of that. Its only racist because she was white imo.

Marf

22,907 posts

258 months

Thursday 29th October 2009
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emicen said:
Its only racist because she was white imo.
Balls.

Just because people cowtow to ethnic minorities asking for the same doesn't mean its not racist in those cases.

Edited by Marf on Thursday 29th October 10:16

FPC

8,147 posts

239 months

Thursday 29th October 2009
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emicen said:
FPC said:
bakerjuk said:
If thats her preference who are we to judge.
Erm, we are. Because it is racist. The situation really is black and white.
And what if it is racist?
What, are you trying to defend racism?

emicen

8,940 posts

235 months

Thursday 29th October 2009
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FPC said:
emicen said:
FPC said:
bakerjuk said:
If thats her preference who are we to judge.
Erm, we are. Because it is racist. The situation really is black and white.
And what if it is racist?
What, are you trying to defend racism?
Lets try posting like an adult including the full response. rolleyes

I'll re-iterate for you: this is no different to similar requests/demands made by other ethnic groups day in, day out in the UK. What makes this news worthy, is it was a white person that did it.

In modern have-to-be-oh-so-PC Britain, only white people can be racist, and this merits a full investigation as the hospital will be bricking it that if they dont it will reflect badly on them.

I did not defend racism at all.

bakerjuk

268 posts

208 months

Thursday 29th October 2009
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FPC said:
emicen said:
FPC said:
bakerjuk said:
If thats her preference who are we to judge.
Erm, we are. Because it is racist. The situation really is black and white.
And what if it is racist?
What, are you trying to defend racism?
I dont think its defending racism, its defending freedom of choice. You cant tell someone what to think (although most people do). All I am saying is that if she chooses fine, but make her pay.
As the article says, what if there were no white staff available? Let her bleed to death? Its a bit of a silly argument really as apparently this is the first time its happened, but just because its her choice doenst mean its racist.

As I said earlier, you dont know her situation, she may have been raped by a non-white to get her pregnant. I dont think we can judge her as that would make us as bad as she is.

Marf

22,907 posts

258 months

Thursday 29th October 2009
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Oh the poor oppressed white minoritymajority. Change the record wink

ShadownINja

78,790 posts

299 months

Thursday 29th October 2009
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Shut it, honky.

Yeah, you're right. If a muslim woman demanded women only during the birth of her child...

Edited by ShadownINja on Thursday 29th October 10:21

bakerjuk

268 posts

208 months

Thursday 29th October 2009
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ShadownINja said:
Shut it, honky.
laugh

Marf

22,907 posts

258 months

Thursday 29th October 2009
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ShadownINja said:
Shut it, honky.
goddamn crackaz!