A letter from CMD
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B Oeuf

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39,731 posts

301 months

Sunday 1st November 2009
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I wrote to the Cons party to express my annoyance at my MP not responding to my emails. I got this standard reply from CMD which didn't answer any of my points. UKIP are looking more appealing all the time

"Dear B,

This week the failures of this Labour Government were exposed across three major fronts: society, the military, and the economy.

First, society. New figures have shown that many poor families are actually better off on benefits than in work. What kind of signal does this send about what society expects of people? "Don't strive for independence, don't try to provide for your family, don't try and do the responsible thing". It's a crazy situation to be in, so on Tuesday I announced a new policy initiative to look into the best way of tackling it.

Second, the military. As you might remember from my email two weeks ago we've been pushing hard against deep cuts in training for army reservists. Thankfully, we've now succeeded in getting these cuts stopped. On Wednesday I asked the Prime Minister to tell us what on earth he was thinking of when he proposed to cut this training when the country is at war. As ever, I didn't get an answer.

Third, the economy. Whilst Britain now finds itself in the longest and deepest recession since records began, we learned on Thursday that the US has now joined all the other major economies in climbing out of recession and into recovery.

Gordon Brown's claims that we were somehow the "best placed" country to weather the recession have been completely blown out of the water by the fact we were one of the first into recession, and are now the last out. Our economy desperately needs an injection of credit and confidence - and we're only going to get that with fresh economic leadership."

EDLT

15,421 posts

223 months

Sunday 1st November 2009
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Reply to it and see how many you can get.

TheEnd

15,370 posts

205 months

Sunday 1st November 2009
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You keep emailing your MP? No wonder he ignores you!

poo at Paul's

14,464 posts

192 months

Sunday 1st November 2009
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There's litterally thousands of PHers and only us three sad useless fxxkers can be arsed to reply to you..........are you surprised your busy MP doesn't!!laugh

anonymous-user

71 months

Monday 2nd November 2009
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I used to be a member of the Conservative party. My MP is excellent so no complaint against her but... I still get regular letters from the party, 100% of which are asking me for money. But write to them (no cheque enclosed) asking about some policy issue and they are completely useless, often not bothering to respond at all.

B Oeuf

Original Poster:

39,731 posts

301 months

Monday 2nd November 2009
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Mine (Andrew Landsley) used to be pretty good.....till I asked him about his expenses hehe

bonsai

2,015 posts

197 months

Monday 2nd November 2009
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B Oeuf said:
Mine (Andrew Landsley) used to be pretty good.....till I asked him about his expenses hehe
I'm in his constituency too. I sent a very terse message via his website to express my annoyance at his flipping of his designated home. . Quite frankly they're all as bad as each other.

OnTheOverrun

3,965 posts

194 months

Monday 2nd November 2009
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B Oeuf said:
UKIP are looking more appealing all the time
It never ceases to amaze me how many people seem unable to grasp the simple truth that the next government will be either Labour or Conservative and that every vote for UKIP makes it more likely it will be Labour.

The response you received from the tories was poor, but helping Labour get re-elected because of it seems to be cuting off your nose to spite your face IMHO.

Tangent Police

3,097 posts

193 months

Monday 2nd November 2009
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OnTheOverrun said:
B Oeuf said:
UKIP are looking more appealing all the time
It never ceases to amaze me how many people seem unable to grasp the simple truth that the next government will be either Labour or Conservative and that every vote for UKIP makes it more likely it will be Labour.

The response you received from the tories was poor, but helping Labour get re-elected because of it seems to be cuting off your nose to spite your face IMHO.
So, Social Democrats in EU (blue ties) vs Social Democrats in EU (red ties)

Voting for tie colour achieves nothing ranting

UKIP are not Social Democrats with Fuschia Ties. curse

Edited by Tangent Police on Monday 2nd November 13:29

B Oeuf

Original Poster:

39,731 posts

301 months

Monday 2nd November 2009
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OnTheOverrun said:
B Oeuf said:
UKIP are looking more appealing all the time
It never ceases to amaze me how many people seem unable to grasp the simple truth that the next government will be either Labour or Conservative and that every vote for UKIP makes it more likely it will be Labour.

The response you received from the tories was poor, but helping Labour get re-elected because of it seems to be cuting off your nose to spite your face IMHO.
I'm quite able to 'grasp the simple truth' thanks, are you another Tory fan boy who thinks Dave'll pull his undies over his trousers and save the world? do you think he'll deliver on his countless promises?

I don't and I don't like the unpalatable truth that I will have to vote tactically to get Browns filth out of office either.

OnTheOverrun

3,965 posts

194 months

Monday 2nd November 2009
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B Oeuf said:
OnTheOverrun said:
B Oeuf said:
UKIP are looking more appealing all the time
It never ceases to amaze me how many people seem unable to grasp the simple truth that the next government will be either Labour or Conservative and that every vote for UKIP makes it more likely it will be Labour.

The response you received from the tories was poor, but helping Labour get re-elected because of it seems to be cuting off your nose to spite your face IMHO.
I'm quite able to 'grasp the simple truth' thanks, are you another Tory fan boy who thinks Dave'll pull his undies over his trousers and save the world? do you think he'll deliver on his countless promises?

I don't and I don't like the unpalatable truth that I will have to vote tactically to get Browns filth out of office either.
No, I'm not a fan of Cameron and I fundamentally disagree with several current Conservative policies, but, as a believer in realpolitik, I realise the only choice we actually have is Labour or Conservative and I believe a first term of the latter will be infinitely better for the country than a fourth term for the former.

OnTheOverrun

3,965 posts

194 months

Monday 2nd November 2009
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Tangent Police said:
Voting for tie colour achieves nothing ranting
Neither will voting UKIP, other than to make a Labour win more likely. You can't have what you want in politics, you just get to choose the least worst option.

B Oeuf

Original Poster:

39,731 posts

301 months

Monday 2nd November 2009
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OnTheOverrun said:
Tangent Police said:
Voting for tie colour achieves nothing ranting
Neither will voting UKIP, other than to make a Labour win more likely. You can't have what you want in politics, you just get to choose the least worst option.
What we want is a fresh party in the mix, Tory win next election with UKIP as the opposition and Labour struggling against the BNP

anonymous-user

71 months

Monday 2nd November 2009
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B Oeuf said:
OnTheOverrun said:
Tangent Police said:
Voting for tie colour achieves nothing ranting
Neither will voting UKIP, other than to make a Labour win more likely. You can't have what you want in politics, you just get to choose the least worst option.
What we want is a fresh party in the mix, Tory win next election with UKIP as the opposition and Labour struggling against the BNP
I actually think UKIP would stand a chance of making inroads with a credible leader. Imagine a character of the calibre of the late Alan Clark at the helm, they would have a real chance of winning some seats because there are a huge number of eurosceptics looking for someone to vote for. The dream ticket for me would be a minority Tory government kept in power by a CON/UKIP alliance. Then we might really see some change. Trouble is I think underneath the bluster CMD is as wedded to the EU as Brown is and he would rather do a deal witn the Lib Dems than with a eurosceptic party.

OnTheOverrun

3,965 posts

194 months

Monday 2nd November 2009
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B Oeuf said:
OnTheOverrun said:
Tangent Police said:
Voting for tie colour achieves nothing ranting
Neither will voting UKIP, other than to make a Labour win more likely. You can't have what you want in politics, you just get to choose the least worst option.
What we want is a fresh party in the mix, Tory win next election with UKIP as the opposition and Labour struggling against the BNP
The only way you can have what you want is if the fresh party take their votes largely from Labour, not the tories. UKIP will largely take from the tories, so you can't have what you want.

B Oeuf

Original Poster:

39,731 posts

301 months

Monday 2nd November 2009
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OnTheOverrun said:
B Oeuf said:
OnTheOverrun said:
Tangent Police said:
Voting for tie colour achieves nothing ranting
Neither will voting UKIP, other than to make a Labour win more likely. You can't have what you want in politics, you just get to choose the least worst option.
What we want is a fresh party in the mix, Tory win next election with UKIP as the opposition and Labour struggling against the BNP
The only way you can have what you want is if the fresh party take their votes largely from Labour, not the tories. UKIP will largely take from the tories, so you can't have what you want.
Not yet maybe.....not yet

OnTheOverrun

3,965 posts

194 months

Monday 2nd November 2009
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B Oeuf said:
OnTheOverrun said:
B Oeuf said:
OnTheOverrun said:
Tangent Police said:
Voting for tie colour achieves nothing ranting
Neither will voting UKIP, other than to make a Labour win more likely. You can't have what you want in politics, you just get to choose the least worst option.
What we want is a fresh party in the mix, Tory win next election with UKIP as the opposition and Labour struggling against the BNP
The only way you can have what you want is if the fresh party take their votes largely from Labour, not the tories. UKIP will largely take from the tories, so you can't have what you want.
Not yet maybe.....not yet
Agreed, but IMHO we need the tories to get into a strong position in govt, then an anti-eu party start making ground and drag the tories along with them to full euro-scepticism and then withdrawal. But the order is vital and for it to happen eventually we need a big tory win this time. smile

turbobloke

112,896 posts

277 months

Monday 2nd November 2009
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OnTheOverrun said:
B Oeuf said:
OnTheOverrun said:
B Oeuf said:
UKIP are looking more appealing all the time
It never ceases to amaze me how many people seem unable to grasp the simple truth that the next government will be either Labour or Conservative and that every vote for UKIP makes it more likely it will be Labour.

The response you received from the tories was poor, but helping Labour get re-elected because of it seems to be cuting off your nose to spite your face IMHO.
I'm quite able to 'grasp the simple truth' thanks, are you another Tory fan boy who thinks Dave'll pull his undies over his trousers and save the world? do you think he'll deliver on his countless promises?

I don't and I don't like the unpalatable truth that I will have to vote tactically to get Browns filth out of office either.
No, I'm not a fan of Cameron and I fundamentally disagree with several current Conservative policies, but, as a believer in realpolitik, I realise the only choice we actually have is Labour or Conservative and I believe a first term of the latter will be infinitely better for the country than a fourth term for the former.
Amen to that. But CMD's lime green tie and all it symbolises isn't ideal, to say the least.

turbobloke

112,896 posts

277 months

Monday 2nd November 2009
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OnTheOverrun said:
But the order is vital and for it to happen eventually we need a big tory win this time.
Yes please, I'll have my supersize Conservative win with Labour incompetence to go (to oblivion).

OnTheOverrun

3,965 posts

194 months

Monday 2nd November 2009
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turbobloke said:
OnTheOverrun said:
B Oeuf said:
OnTheOverrun said:
B Oeuf said:
UKIP are looking more appealing all the time
It never ceases to amaze me how many people seem unable to grasp the simple truth that the next government will be either Labour or Conservative and that every vote for UKIP makes it more likely it will be Labour.

The response you received from the tories was poor, but helping Labour get re-elected because of it seems to be cuting off your nose to spite your face IMHO.
I'm quite able to 'grasp the simple truth' thanks, are you another Tory fan boy who thinks Dave'll pull his undies over his trousers and save the world? do you think he'll deliver on his countless promises?

I don't and I don't like the unpalatable truth that I will have to vote tactically to get Browns filth out of office either.
No, I'm not a fan of Cameron and I fundamentally disagree with several current Conservative policies, but, as a believer in realpolitik, I realise the only choice we actually have is Labour or Conservative and I believe a first term of the latter will be infinitely better for the country than a fourth term for the former.
Amen to that. But CMD's lime green tie and all it symbolises isn't ideal, to say the least.
Totally agree, but like nu labor in 1997, to win he knows he must be all things to all men to gain power. How his policies develop thereafter are where the fun will begin.