Strikes - who's pssed off with them?
Discussion
I for one am getting fed up with people striking becuase they don't like something at their place of work.
I don't get paid enough and there is a man in our office who smells. But I can't go on strike, they'd (rightfully) sack me - just becuase I'm not in a Union!
I have a lot of friends who are, as a result of the recession, out of work....at these 'unts at Royal Mail, fckin Binmen in Leeds and god knows who else are taking the pss by walking out in what can only be termed as blackmail! If you don't like your job, leave!
There are plenty of people out there who would love the chance to have a job....there should be a change in law stating that striking cannot prevent you from being disciplined in the appropriate methods!
Rant over!
I don't get paid enough and there is a man in our office who smells. But I can't go on strike, they'd (rightfully) sack me - just becuase I'm not in a Union!
I have a lot of friends who are, as a result of the recession, out of work....at these 'unts at Royal Mail, fckin Binmen in Leeds and god knows who else are taking the pss by walking out in what can only be termed as blackmail! If you don't like your job, leave!
There are plenty of people out there who would love the chance to have a job....there should be a change in law stating that striking cannot prevent you from being disciplined in the appropriate methods!
Rant over!
One of the problems RM will face (at least for the next few months) is that if they do take a hard line with the unions, it's very doubtful that they'd get any support from the government, more so considering the position that the current Home Secretary used to be the leader of said Marxist union scum
JCB123 said:
I for one am getting fed up with people striking becuase they don't like something at their place of work.
I don't get paid enough and there is a man in our office who smells. But I can't go on strike, they'd (rightfully) sack me - just becuase I'm not in a Union!
I have a lot of friends who are, as a result of the recession, out of work....at these 'unts at Royal Mail, fckin Binmen in Leeds and god knows who else are taking the pss by walking out in what can only be termed as blackmail! If you don't like your job, leave!
There are plenty of people out there who would love the chance to have a job....there should be a change in law stating that striking cannot prevent you from being disciplined in the appropriate methods!
Rant over!
So many people that would be happy for a job and modernisation happens, its a fact of life. All these people are doing is making it worse for already struggling businesses that use the postal system! making more people lose jobsI don't get paid enough and there is a man in our office who smells. But I can't go on strike, they'd (rightfully) sack me - just becuase I'm not in a Union!
I have a lot of friends who are, as a result of the recession, out of work....at these 'unts at Royal Mail, fckin Binmen in Leeds and god knows who else are taking the pss by walking out in what can only be termed as blackmail! If you don't like your job, leave!
There are plenty of people out there who would love the chance to have a job....there should be a change in law stating that striking cannot prevent you from being disciplined in the appropriate methods!
Rant over!
JCB123 said:
I for one am getting fed up with people striking becuase they don't like something at their place of work.
I don't get paid enough and there is a man in our office who smells. But I can't go on strike, they'd (rightfully) sack me - just becuase I'm not in a Union!
I have a lot of friends who are, as a result of the recession, out of work....at these 'unts at Royal Mail, fckin Binmen in Leeds and god knows who else are taking the pss by walking out in what can only be termed as blackmail! If you don't like your job, leave!
There are plenty of people out there who would love the chance to have a job....there should be a change in law stating that striking cannot prevent you from being disciplined in the appropriate methods!
Rant over!
Except what you're forgetting is that you can go on strike (provided you follow the right legal path).I don't get paid enough and there is a man in our office who smells. But I can't go on strike, they'd (rightfully) sack me - just becuase I'm not in a Union!
I have a lot of friends who are, as a result of the recession, out of work....at these 'unts at Royal Mail, fckin Binmen in Leeds and god knows who else are taking the pss by walking out in what can only be termed as blackmail! If you don't like your job, leave!
There are plenty of people out there who would love the chance to have a job....there should be a change in law stating that striking cannot prevent you from being disciplined in the appropriate methods!
Rant over!
Presumably if you fear for your job if you were to strike then your company sees you as expendable.
I wouldn't strike myself. But the only reason strikes still exist is not because of strong unions, it is because of weak companies.
IIRC the bin men are on strike due to new rules which mean some are £5k PA worse off. I'd be pretty pissed off with that but as you say if you don't like it then go elsewhere. RM, i have no time for, they hurt business last time they went though this s
t & they are doing it again now. If they weren't so usless i'd have sympathy with them. RM managers should stand firm otherwise this will just happen again some time soon.
t & they are doing it again now. If they weren't so usless i'd have sympathy with them. RM managers should stand firm otherwise this will just happen again some time soon. Strikes are a sign that both the union AND the management have failed.
Militant unionism is total garbage, but so is being a single worker at the total mercy of a company. There needs to be something in the middle and if both sides have even half a brain betwen them, then they'll realise that they usually both want the same thing, the company they work for to be successful.
As a manager it is far easier to have one set of worker representatives to deal with and as a worker, it is far better to have the protection of numbers.
Unions in the UK are usually total nonsense though and most don't seem to have the first clue about how to really represent their membership. I suppose it's because the way you become a union rep is by shouting loudly rather than talking sensibly.
Militant unionism is total garbage, but so is being a single worker at the total mercy of a company. There needs to be something in the middle and if both sides have even half a brain betwen them, then they'll realise that they usually both want the same thing, the company they work for to be successful.
As a manager it is far easier to have one set of worker representatives to deal with and as a worker, it is far better to have the protection of numbers.
Unions in the UK are usually total nonsense though and most don't seem to have the first clue about how to really represent their membership. I suppose it's because the way you become a union rep is by shouting loudly rather than talking sensibly.
Dave_ST220 said:
IIRC the bin men are on strike due to new rules which mean some are £5k PA worse off. I'd be pretty pissed off with that but as you say if you don't like it then go elsewhere. RM, i have no time for, they hurt business last time they went though this st & they are doing it again now. If they weren't so usless i'd have sympathy with them. RM managers should stand firm otherwise this will just happen again some time soon.
The wife was telling me about the binmen. Some sort of weird "fair pay" legislation and a reclassification of jobs means that the Binmen have to take a pay cut of £5K in order to increase pay for "Care Workers".t & they are doing it again now. If they weren't so usless i'd have sympathy with them. RM managers should stand firm otherwise this will just happen again some time soon. Errrm.
HELLO! You thought this WOULDN'T cause strikes!?!?!?!? Have you SEEN how hard the Binnies work? It's fking amazing! Yes I know I get paid more for sitting on my arse - but I do it with such style...There are plenty of strikers who I don't have sympathy with. The Binmen? I do.
All the same: Now is the winter of our discontent. All over again.
Edited by Don on Tuesday 3rd November 15:34
Parrot of Doom said:
I'm self-employed. I can't strike. I don't get sick pay. I don't get holiday pay. I don't get paternity leave.
So frankly, moaning about whether you can or cannot strike seems to me to be rather pathetic.
I'm in the same boat. Don't think the OP quite meant it that way. So frankly, moaning about whether you can or cannot strike seems to me to be rather pathetic.
The RM chumps are protesting against modernisation?!? So they're insisting that people should be guaranteed jobs when machines would be cheaper and more efficient? Have we gone back in time to the industrial revolution?
BA employees are at it next I believe. I really find it quite amazing, the stupidity of employees disrupting a company that is already in serious danger of going under. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.
When I went flew recently I deliberately avoided BA in case the fkers decided they wanted to screw everyones plans by striking. I'm sure I'm not the only one; I wonder how much lost business that adds up to?
BA employees are at it next I believe. I really find it quite amazing, the stupidity of employees disrupting a company that is already in serious danger of going under. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.
When I went flew recently I deliberately avoided BA in case the f
kers decided they wanted to screw everyones plans by striking. I'm sure I'm not the only one; I wonder how much lost business that adds up to?Thing is that most companies look to streamline, cut costs and become more effcient to survive and this can sometimes involve increasing investment in labour saving technology.
RM have to be competitive and you can hardly blaming them for trying to be more efficient in the future.
It's very sad that some jobs may have to go but that is the reality for many companies.
The strikes will just make matters worse and, whilst I have every sympathy for the workers, I don't see how they can win this one.
RM have to be competitive and you can hardly blaming them for trying to be more efficient in the future.
It's very sad that some jobs may have to go but that is the reality for many companies.
The strikes will just make matters worse and, whilst I have every sympathy for the workers, I don't see how they can win this one.
I think that the overall cause of the Unions is still a valid one - to protect the workers and ensure that they are not manipulated or walked over. Unfortunately we have seen this abused in the past and everyone who works deserves to do so in safety for a fair wage.
BUT - that is about as far as my sympathies go. What it seems to me is that the last bastions of Union strength is getting whittled away bit by bit. Yes, organisations such as the Royal Mail need to modernise. They need to do it bloody pronto too, or there will be no Royal Mail soon! But do the Unions see this? Nah, stick your head in the ground and hope it goes away. And as for the reasons - protection of the nice little racket that the Royal Mail workers have more like it. Fair wage? Protect the workers? Phah, more like keep the workers sweet with a fantastic little deal where you get paid for doing sweet f-all.
As an employee I am expected to be law abiding and to stick to the rules as laid out in my employment contract. I don't get overtime and I don't expect to get paid for sitting on my arse (however the odd post on PH is fair). I have to say that I do not support the strikers. They should get off their arses and get working, failure to do so means that they are either liars, cheats or lazy. Either way, they deserve everything they get.
Maybe I am being a little extreme - but these little power-mad morons are sending the Royal Mail out of business. We have seen this type of behaviour before and nothing has changed. Modernise and move on - don't and die.
R.I.P. Royal Mail
BUT - that is about as far as my sympathies go. What it seems to me is that the last bastions of Union strength is getting whittled away bit by bit. Yes, organisations such as the Royal Mail need to modernise. They need to do it bloody pronto too, or there will be no Royal Mail soon! But do the Unions see this? Nah, stick your head in the ground and hope it goes away. And as for the reasons - protection of the nice little racket that the Royal Mail workers have more like it. Fair wage? Protect the workers? Phah, more like keep the workers sweet with a fantastic little deal where you get paid for doing sweet f-all.
As an employee I am expected to be law abiding and to stick to the rules as laid out in my employment contract. I don't get overtime and I don't expect to get paid for sitting on my arse (however the odd post on PH is fair). I have to say that I do not support the strikers. They should get off their arses and get working, failure to do so means that they are either liars, cheats or lazy. Either way, they deserve everything they get.
Maybe I am being a little extreme - but these little power-mad morons are sending the Royal Mail out of business. We have seen this type of behaviour before and nothing has changed. Modernise and move on - don't and die.
R.I.P. Royal Mail
I doubt that the Unions are so naive as to think that they are not risking the jobs of their members. I'd guess that the writing is already on the wall for them. Collectively their attitude is, make us redundant, or sack us, but don't let us all languish in the mire for the next decade.
RM don't want to pay the redundancy, it's cheaper overall for them to give everyone a pay cut. The idea is that their employees will eventually get fed up with having non-jobs, and fade away cheaply.
I think the postal workers are taking the right path. They don't have much to lose anyway.
For those people who complain, because the service level from RM has deteriorated.... It would have done anyhow.
RM don't want to pay the redundancy, it's cheaper overall for them to give everyone a pay cut. The idea is that their employees will eventually get fed up with having non-jobs, and fade away cheaply.
I think the postal workers are taking the right path. They don't have much to lose anyway.
For those people who complain, because the service level from RM has deteriorated.... It would have done anyhow.
Edited by dilbert on Tuesday 3rd November 17:14
I royally am.
With so many unemployed workers its taking the absoulute fking piss to strike.
Be fking gratefull you still have a fking job you tight fisted s.
They should sack the fking lot of them and then give the jobs to people who genuinly need them and would be so grateful for the work they would work for the wages currently paid.
Some people really boil my fking piss.
s.
With so many unemployed workers its taking the absoulute f
king piss to strike.Be f
king gratefull you still have a fking job you tight fisted s.They should sack the f
king lot of them and then give the jobs to people who genuinly need them and would be so grateful for the work they would work for the wages currently paid.Some people really boil my f
king piss.s.ineedagallardo said:
I royally am.
With so many unemployed workers its taking the absoulute fking piss to strike.
Be fking gratefull you still have a fking job you tight fisted s.
They should sack the fking lot of them and then give the jobs to people who genuinly need them and would be so grateful for the work they would work for the wages currently paid.
Some people really boil my fking piss.
s.
I feel your pain. I want a job as much as the next man. The reality is that people have been talking and thinking like you did there for too long.With so many unemployed workers its taking the absoulute f
king piss to strike.Be f
king gratefull you still have a fking job you tight fisted s.They should sack the f
king lot of them and then give the jobs to people who genuinly need them and would be so grateful for the work they would work for the wages currently paid.Some people really boil my f
king piss.s.Having a job is never, nor should it ever, be a privilege. It's a trading agreement. When the overall terms are such that it's not possible for the business to trade, then it's better to be clear about the problem than to fudge it.
Once you fudge it, there is no way to steer the problem back on course without detriment to both employers and employees. As the situation gets worse, employees hang on to their jobs with greater vigour, and employers make it worse still, in order to encourage people to leave cheaply (without redundancy pay).
The employer/employee relationship breaks down, and the business becomes ever more inefficient.
The real problem is that our country is bust. In the most severe of cases people get so angry with each other, under the pressure of economic difficulty, that it leads to war.
Edited by dilbert on Tuesday 3rd November 17:25
dilbert said:
I doubt that the Unions are so naive as to think that they are not risking the jobs of their members. I'd guess that the writing is already on the wall for them. Collectively their attitude is, make us redundant, or sack us, but don't let us all languish in the mire for the next decade.
RM don't want to pay the redundancy, it's cheaper overall for them to give everyone a pay cut. The idea is that their employees will eventually get fed up with having non-jobs, and fade away cheaply.
I think the postal workers are taking the right path. They don't have much to lose anyway.
For those people who complain, because the service level from RM has deteriorated.... It would have done anyhow.
Fair comment and well put - in fact, you could make a lot of money from the Unions in their PR department. This type of rational and reasonable comment actually makes sense, rather than the semi-political rant that you usually get.RM don't want to pay the redundancy, it's cheaper overall for them to give everyone a pay cut. The idea is that their employees will eventually get fed up with having non-jobs, and fade away cheaply.
I think the postal workers are taking the right path. They don't have much to lose anyway.
For those people who complain, because the service level from RM has deteriorated.... It would have done anyhow.
Edited by dilbert on Tuesday 3rd November 17:14
If this is the case then I do have a smidgen of sympathy. But only as far as to say that the good employees are likely to be kept on while the wasters are going to be first against the wall when the revolution comes. So does it matter?
Have to say that I don't work for RM and I don't know anyone directly involved. Those acquaintances that I did have unfortunately kept up the stereotype though.
Neil_H said:
The RM chumps are protesting against modernisation?!? So they're insisting that people should be guaranteed jobs when machines would be cheaper and more efficient? Have we gone back in time to the industrial revolution?
BA employees are at it next I believe. I really find it quite amazing, the stupidity of employees disrupting a company that is already in serious danger of going under. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.
When I went flew recently I deliberately avoided BA in case the fkers decided they wanted to screw everyones plans by striking. I'm sure I'm not the only one; I wonder how much lost business that adds up to?
BA I really don't understand. They are losing millions of pounds a year, and the union's response is to talk of strikes timed for Christmas in order to, and I quote, "cause as much disruption as possible". Yes, that will really help the company save money.BA employees are at it next I believe. I really find it quite amazing, the stupidity of employees disrupting a company that is already in serious danger of going under. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.
When I went flew recently I deliberately avoided BA in case the f
kers decided they wanted to screw everyones plans by striking. I'm sure I'm not the only one; I wonder how much lost business that adds up to?Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff