2012 F1 rule changes
Discussion
It's been talked about, but let's give the engineers free reign again! let's loosen it up. The more 'difference' the cars have, the more chance different parts of the circuit will be an advantage to different teams, and overtaking will be more often, maybe. Either way, let's have turbo's, superchargers, 6 wheels, fan cars, etc, again!
6655321 said:
It's been talked about, but let's give the engineers free reign again! let's loosen it up. The more 'difference' the cars have, the more chance different parts of the circuit will be an advantage to different teams, and overtaking will be more often, maybe. Either way, let's have turbo's, superchargers, 6 wheels, fan cars, etc, again!
Oh come on, F1 is closer than it's ever been.Do you actually remember the days when there were naff all rules? Cars were winning by f
king miles, the teams at the back were 15 seconds a lap off the pace and you had years like '88 were Mclaren won 15 races (it would have been a clean sweep but for a dodgy crash). The only reason there was more overtaking was becuase the teams at the front were so much faster..You let the rules run wild and you'll have insane budgets, one dominant team and teams pulling out all over the shop.
As for I4 Turbos, everyone on here thought it was the end of the world when we went to 3.0 V10's, then they thought it was the end of the world when it went to 2.4 V8s but we don't even notice the difference now.....
T89 Callan said:
6655321 said:
It's been talked about, but let's give the engineers free reign again! let's loosen it up. The more 'difference' the cars have, the more chance different parts of the circuit will be an advantage to different teams, and overtaking will be more often, maybe. Either way, let's have turbo's, superchargers, 6 wheels, fan cars, etc, again!
Oh come on, F1 is closer than it's ever been.Do you actually remember the days when there were naff all rules? Cars were winning by f
king miles, the teams at the back were 15 seconds a lap off the pace and you had years like '88 were Mclaren won 15 races (it would have been a clean sweep but for a dodgy crash). The only reason there was more overtaking was becuase the teams at the front were so much faster..You let the rules run wild and you'll have insane budgets, one dominant team and teams pulling out all over the shop.
As for I4 Turbos, everyone on here thought it was the end of the world when we went to 3.0 V10's, then they thought it was the end of the world when it went to 2.4 V8s but we don't even notice the difference now.....
6655321 said:
T89 Callan said:
6655321 said:
It's been talked about, but let's give the engineers free reign again! let's loosen it up. The more 'difference' the cars have, the more chance different parts of the circuit will be an advantage to different teams, and overtaking will be more often, maybe. Either way, let's have turbo's, superchargers, 6 wheels, fan cars, etc, again!
Oh come on, F1 is closer than it's ever been.Do you actually remember the days when there were naff all rules? Cars were winning by f
king miles, the teams at the back were 15 seconds a lap off the pace and you had years like '88 were Mclaren won 15 races (it would have been a clean sweep but for a dodgy crash). The only reason there was more overtaking was becuase the teams at the front were so much faster..You let the rules run wild and you'll have insane budgets, one dominant team and teams pulling out all over the shop.
As for I4 Turbos, everyone on here thought it was the end of the world when we went to 3.0 V10's, then they thought it was the end of the world when it went to 2.4 V8s but we don't even notice the difference now.....
In a nutshell with no rules there would be no F1, costs would be far to high and the racing far too fractured and dull.
History has shown through the death of many series that unless perfomrance and costs are capped to a realistic level then the series will die.
No I agree with those who say there should be no engine restrictions, then see how ingenious the designers can be. After all the bigger an engine is, the heavier it is and the more difficult to fit in the available space etc.
If F1 is to be the pinnacle of the sport, it should have the most power. And remember what Stirling Moss said: the car should always have more power than the driver can handle.
Unlimited power, and no bloody stupid wings. Even I might start watching it again.
If F1 is to be the pinnacle of the sport, it should have the most power. And remember what Stirling Moss said: the car should always have more power than the driver can handle.
Unlimited power, and no bloody stupid wings. Even I might start watching it again.
T89 Callan said:
6655321 said:
It's been talked about, but let's give the engineers free reign again! let's loosen it up. The more 'difference' the cars have, the more chance different parts of the circuit will be an advantage to different teams, and overtaking will be more often, maybe. Either way, let's have turbo's, superchargers, 6 wheels, fan cars, etc, again!
Oh come on, F1 is closer than it's ever been.Do you actually remember the days when there were naff all rules? Cars were winning by f
king miles, the teams at the back were 15 seconds a lap off the pace and you had years like '88 were Mclaren won 15 races (it would have been a clean sweep but for a dodgy crash). The only reason there was more overtaking was becuase the teams at the front were so much faster..You let the rules run wild and you'll have insane budgets, one dominant team and teams pulling out all over the shop.
As for I4 Turbos, everyone on here thought it was the end of the world when we went to 3.0 V10's, then they thought it was the end of the world when it went to 2.4 V8s but we don't even notice the difference now.....
I think there is a happy medium between the tight regs at the minute, and totally opening them all up. Lets have some aspects of the cars open to a bit of Colin Chapman-esque smart thinking. The double diffuser was an interesting additive to this season, some teams having an immediate advantage, others quickly cottoning on and catching up, it would be nice if the truely great engineers were allowed to use some of thier smarts like that more often, rathetr than just as a loophole in a rule change.
I also agree the cars need alot more power, they are too easy to drive, i understand the rookies are good but in my opinion they should be barely able to keep the car on the track in thier first race. The grip levels and downforce sophistication over the years has increased hugely (even with the new regs) yet the power has dropped, and is significantly lower than at its very peak. More power, open up the regs a bit and lets see what happens, if it doesn't work then change it back.
I also agree the cars need alot more power, they are too easy to drive, i understand the rookies are good but in my opinion they should be barely able to keep the car on the track in thier first race. The grip levels and downforce sophistication over the years has increased hugely (even with the new regs) yet the power has dropped, and is significantly lower than at its very peak. More power, open up the regs a bit and lets see what happens, if it doesn't work then change it back.
Edited by Forbes82 on Wednesday 4th November 10:57
johnfelstead said:
T89 Callan said:
6655321 said:
It's been talked about, but let's give the engineers free reign again! let's loosen it up. The more 'difference' the cars have, the more chance different parts of the circuit will be an advantage to different teams, and overtaking will be more often, maybe. Either way, let's have turbo's, superchargers, 6 wheels, fan cars, etc, again!
Oh come on, F1 is closer than it's ever been.Do you actually remember the days when there were naff all rules? Cars were winning by f
king miles, the teams at the back were 15 seconds a lap off the pace and you had years like '88 were Mclaren won 15 races (it would have been a clean sweep but for a dodgy crash). The only reason there was more overtaking was becuase the teams at the front were so much faster..You let the rules run wild and you'll have insane budgets, one dominant team and teams pulling out all over the shop.
As for I4 Turbos, everyone on here thought it was the end of the world when we went to 3.0 V10's, then they thought it was the end of the world when it went to 2.4 V8s but we don't even notice the difference now.....
I agree that you don't want the cars to be too powerfull but I think its fair to say that the need to complete a race on a single tank, along with a limited number of engines per season would keep the insanity in check. These arent the days of qualifying engines after all!
Does anyone else think its a bit daft that you can buy production road cars with more power than an F1 car?
Does anyone else think its a bit daft that you can buy production road cars with more power than an F1 car?
The teams iirc have always wanted more tech and less rules - do what the teams want in the end. Let's face it the meddling from one year to the next HAS cost the teams more money than if they let the rules stay more fixed.
F1 in the old days often had cars that won by several minutes. THAT's F1! There's a story at every position. A less well funded team could try an unproven technology to see it put them all the way to the front. Teams at the front tend to be more conservative with their development.
This season wasn't that exciting and what excitement it did bring was due to the FIA's manufactured outcome due to the diffusers.
Let the FIA create another series if they want to create a nascar like show.
F1 in the old days often had cars that won by several minutes. THAT's F1! There's a story at every position. A less well funded team could try an unproven technology to see it put them all the way to the front. Teams at the front tend to be more conservative with their development.
This season wasn't that exciting and what excitement it did bring was due to the FIA's manufactured outcome due to the diffusers.
Let the FIA create another series if they want to create a nascar like show.
PiB said:
The teams iirc have always wanted more tech and less rules - do what the teams want in the end. Let's face it the meddling from one year to the next HAS cost the teams more money than if they let the rules stay more fixed.
F1 in the old days often had cars that won by several minutes. THAT's F1! There's a story at every position. A less well funded team could try an unproven technology to see it put them all the way to the front. Teams at the front tend to be more conservative with their development.
This season wasn't that exciting and what excitement it did bring was due to the FIA's manufactured outcome due to the diffusers.
Let the FIA create another series if they want to create a nascar like show.
If the FIA were to do what you suggest, then we'd have a very large field spread, which means the fastest car will always qualify first, second second, third third and so on. Come race day, the cars will just drive off, the gaps getting bigger and bigger between all the cars lap by lap. And people say this season's racing was processional!F1 in the old days often had cars that won by several minutes. THAT's F1! There's a story at every position. A less well funded team could try an unproven technology to see it put them all the way to the front. Teams at the front tend to be more conservative with their development.
This season wasn't that exciting and what excitement it did bring was due to the FIA's manufactured outcome due to the diffusers.
Let the FIA create another series if they want to create a nascar like show.
The way things are at the minute, all the cars have very close performance, which means even the best car can end up near the back of the field, which mixes up the field and provides some great races, think Button at Interlagos, or Schumacher's last race at Interlagos (I know that wasn't because of bad qualifying but you get my point).
Keep the rules nicely constrained to ensure close performance, give the cars a lot more power, and get rid of even more aero.
Just out of interest, would it be possible to put a limit on the amount of turbulant air generated by a car at a given speed? That would be a great move imo.
With regard to tyres i'm not so sure, everyone says give them more mechanical grip by giving them wider tyres, while I agree that they should rely more heavily on mechanical than aero grip, I think it would be good to see them having less grip especially with more power, means that drivers are more likely to make mistakes and therefore more overtakes. And lets be honest, who doesn't love an F1 car doing a 4-wheel drift?
KaraK said:
I agree that you don't want the cars to be too powerfull but I think its fair to say that the need to complete a race on a single tank, along with a limited number of engines per season would keep the insanity in check. These arent the days of qualifying engines after all!
Does anyone else think its a bit daft that you can buy production road cars with more power than an F1 car?
Nope, not daft - the F1 car is still quicker around a circuit, by a fair margin.... higher g, better stability, more acceleration/de-acceleration.Does anyone else think its a bit daft that you can buy production road cars with more power than an F1 car?
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