Converting Grantura into a Griffith.

[THREEFISHORANGE]

How easy would it be to turn a Grantura into a Griff?
Is the chassis any different.I would presume the running gear etc are different? Which engine and box would be the right one, where to source it from?
Also, would it be worthwhile??

Thanks

[TVR_owner]

THREEFISHORANGE said:

How easy would it be to turn a Grantura into a Griff?
Is the chassis any different.I would presume the running gear etc are different? Which engine and box would be the right one, where to source it from?
Also, would it be worthwhile??

Thanks

It's not possible but Neil will be along shortly to explain what is required to make a reasonable replica.

[heightswitch]

TVR_owner said:

THREEFISHORANGE said:

How easy would it be to turn a Grantura into a Griff?
Is the chassis any different.I would presume the running gear etc are different? Which engine and box would be the right one, where to source it from?
Also, would it be worthwhile??

Thanks

It's not possible but Neil will be along shortly to explain what is required to make a reasonable replica.

Just ignore him. he is sore because his car isn't old enough to run in proper historic racing

The short answer Is that yes you can make a Griffith (replica) out of a Grantura. You will need approx £30-£35k to make something that won't either catastrophically break or kill you.

You can spend a lesser amount on the production of a Grantura with a V8 in it which will break, overheat and handle like a supermarket trolley.

N.

[TVR_owner]

heightswitch said:

TVR_owner said:

THREEFISHORANGE said:

How easy would it be to turn a Grantura into a Griff?
Is the chassis any different.I would presume the running gear etc are different? Which engine and box would be the right one, where to source it from?
Also, would it be worthwhile??

Thanks

It's not possible but Neil will be along shortly to explain what is required to make a reasonable replica.

Just ignore him. he is sore because his car isn't old enough to run in proper historic racing

You may mock and jest, but I will stick with the route of trying to gain entry into a realistic historic series with a car that has it's own history and is not pretending to be anything else but what it is

footnote, the car has not been refused entry into any series yet...

and another thing.......You have yet to prove that after spending as much money as you suggest, the finished product will not overheat, handle like a super-market trolley, or try to kill you - in fact, it's not turned a wheel under its own steam yet and its already hospitalised you

Sore, me, not a bit of it.

[heightswitch]

TVR_owner said:

heightswitch said:

TVR_owner said:

THREEFISHORANGE said:

How easy would it be to turn a Grantura into a Griff?
Is the chassis any different.I would presume the running gear etc are different? Which engine and box would be the right one, where to source it from?
Also, would it be worthwhile??

Thanks

It's not possible but Neil will be along shortly to explain what is required to make a reasonable replica.

Just ignore him. he is sore because his car isn't old enough to run in proper historic racing

You may mock and jest, but I will stick with the route of trying to gain entry into a realistic historic series with a car that has it's own history and is not pretending to be anything else but what it is

footnote, the car has not been refused entry into any series yet...

and another thing.......You have yet to prove that after spending as much money as you suggest, the finished product will not overheat, handle like a super-market trolley, or try to kill you - in fact, it's not turned a wheel under its own steam yet and its already hospitalised you

Sore, me, not a bit of it.

Rest assured. IN TIME. Your car will become elligible

I also maintain that the car did not cause my injury. It was the strain of washing up earlier in the day

I also worry that my radiator isn't as big as yours, so as you say Overheating. Hmmm! Could well delay the build John

[C O Jones]

TVR_owner said:

footnote, the car has not been refused entry into any series yet...

If Toyota pull out of F1 will you enter for that then?

Russ

[TVR_owner]

C O Jones said:

TVR_owner said:

footnote, the car has not been refused entry into any series yet...

If Toyota pull out of F1 will you enter for that then?

Russ

er...No.

[Fiscracer]

THREEFISHORANGE said:

How easy would it be to turn a Grantura into a Griff?
Is the chassis any different.I would presume the running gear etc are different? Which engine and box would be the right one, where to source it from?
Also, would it be worthwhile??

Thanks

It all depends on what you want to do with it. In essence they are the same apart from the engine and box although the Griffith chassis is wider to accomodate these. So go ahead and put a 289 in along with a toploader and away you go, might want a Jag diff.

If you want to race it, you may want to do a bit more work though......If you want to go FIA racing, you may have a problem although if it is an exact replica of a car that raced in period you may be able to get papers - assuming you can prove what spec the car was when in ran in period of course.

We all look forward to seeing Neil's car out there and demonstrating how effective all his hard work has been......

If he gets papers my MkIII will be getting a V8 along with some others I suspect.

[heightswitch]

Fiscracer said:

THREEFISHORANGE said:

How easy would it be to turn a Grantura into a Griff?
Is the chassis any different.I would presume the running gear etc are different? Which engine and box would be the right one, where to source it from?
Also, would it be worthwhile??

Thanks

It all depends on what you want to do with it. In essence they are the same apart from the engine and box although the Griffith chassis is wider to accomodate these. So go ahead and put a 289 in along with a toploader and away you go, might want a Jag diff.

If you want to race it, you may want to do a bit more work though......If you want to go FIA racing, you may have a problem although if it is an exact replica of a car that raced in period you may be able to get papers - assuming you can prove what spec the car was when in ran in period of course.

We all look forward to seeing Neil's car out there and demonstrating how effective all his hard work has been......

If he gets papers my MkIII will be getting a V8 along with some others I suspect.

I would like to think that my car would qualify for papers under the HTP route richard. As an old car it still has its original chassis and body and I am pretty sure no one racing out there in a griffith can boast that. The reality is that since I started building the car there has been a whole sea change of rules which potentially will prevent my car from being given Fia papers under the HTP regs.

The rule changes as we all know have been enforced and it seems that the EHM paul car which ran in the Guards international trophy race is now the Fia benchmark for originality/ period.

I dare say I could chop my body about again and part re-build the car to get HTP papers, but really I am just a fat bloke who has wanted a griff for many years and eventually will just find a racing series where my car will be appreciated for what it is.

Fia is really in a different budget to where I would ever want to be as a clubby type. I am happy enough in the knowledge that most of my car originates from Blackpool and that I have built it myself into the car I always wanted.

I have a new chassis sitting in the loft at home, who knows what car no 2 may bring. I have another vixen roadcar to complete prior to that one though so that should see another good few years of car fettling.

N.

[Fiscracer]

heightswitch said:

Fiscracer said:

THREEFISHORANGE said:

How easy would it be to turn a Grantura into a Griff?
Is the chassis any different.I would presume the running gear etc are different? Which engine and box would be the right one, where to source it from?
Also, would it be worthwhile??

Thanks

It all depends on what you want to do with it. In essence they are the same apart from the engine and box although the Griffith chassis is wider to accomodate these. So go ahead and put a 289 in along with a toploader and away you go, might want a Jag diff.

If you want to race it, you may want to do a bit more work though......If you want to go FIA racing, you may have a problem although if it is an exact replica of a car that raced in period you may be able to get papers - assuming you can prove what spec the car was when in ran in period of course.

We all look forward to seeing Neil's car out there and demonstrating how effective all his hard work has been......

If he gets papers my MkIII will be getting a V8 along with some others I suspect.

I would like to think that my car would qualify for papers under the HTP route richard. As an old car it still has its original chassis and body and I am pretty sure no one racing out there in a griffith can boast that. The reality is that since I started building the car there has been a whole sea change of rules which potentially will prevent my car from being given Fia papers under the HTP regs.

The rule changes as we all know have been enforced and it seems that the EHM paul car which ran in the Guards international trophy race is now the Fia benchmark for originality/ period.

I dare say I could chop my body about again and part re-build the car to get HTP papers, but really I am just a fat bloke who has wanted a griff for many years and eventually will just find a racing series where my car will be appreciated for what it is.

Fia is really in a different budget to where I would ever want to be as a clubby type. I am happy enough in the knowledge that most of my car originates from Blackpool and that I have built it myself into the car I always wanted.

I have a new chassis sitting in the loft at home, who knows what car no 2 may bring. I have another vixen roadcar to complete prior to that one though so that should see another good few years of car fettling.

N.

"I am happy enough in the knowledge ..............that I have built it myself into the car I always wanted."

Says it all Neil.

I want to see you out there. As you know I think you are very brave starting in a Griff rather than something slower and easier to handle but I take my hat off to you on your prep.

I've sold mine - it goes to Italy next week, but I hope to be out in a MkIII 1800S Grantura very soon.

[jellison]

heightswitch said:

Fiscracer said:

THREEFISHORANGE said:

How easy would it be to turn a Grantura into a Griff?
Is the chassis any different.I would presume the running gear etc are different? Which engine and box would be the right one, where to source it from?
Also, would it be worthwhile??

Thanks

It all depends on what you want to do with it. In essence they are the same apart from the engine and box although the Griffith chassis is wider to accomodate these. So go ahead and put a 289 in along with a toploader and away you go, might want a Jag diff.

If you want to race it, you may want to do a bit more work though......If you want to go FIA racing, you may have a problem although if it is an exact replica of a car that raced in period you may be able to get papers - assuming you can prove what spec the car was when in ran in period of course.

We all look forward to seeing Neil's car out there and demonstrating how effective all his hard work has been......

If he gets papers my MkIII will be getting a V8 along with some others I suspect.

I would like to think that my car would qualify for papers under the HTP route richard. As an old car it still has its original chassis and body and I am pretty sure no one racing out there in a griffith can boast that. The reality is that since I started building the car there has been a whole sea change of rules which potentially will prevent my car from being given Fia papers under the HTP regs.

The rule changes as we all know have been enforced and it seems that the EHM paul car which ran in the Guards international trophy race is now the Fia benchmark for originality/ period.

I dare say I could chop my body about again and part re-build the car to get HTP papers, but really I am just a fat bloke who has wanted a griff for many years and eventually will just find a racing series where my car will be appreciated for what it is.

Fia is really in a different budget to where I would ever want to be as a clubby type. I am happy enough in the knowledge that most of my car originates from Blackpool and that I have built it myself into the car I always wanted.

I have a new chassis sitting in the loft at home, who knows what car no 2 may bring. I have another vixen roadcar to complete prior to that one though so that should see another good few years of car fettling.

N.

Neil. Few points to correct. The now accepted wide body and bonnet shapes are one of two option which can be run in fia (I have spoken with the fis Scrut on this). You body is obviously styled along the lines of what has been ok'd to be run up until early 09 and what all fia Griff pre this years SPA 6 hours was running "IF" they were wanting to run wide tyres. You can run the car in std width format though (but this limits you to 6j or possibly 6.5j rims). But either way for yours it would be huge (and expensive) further mods now to go either way.

I am just glad I had not built mine by now! Mine will be as per the 09 SPA cars bar (daft spec engine and eventually big front brakes - but Jag stuff initially) I'll run the 08 and pre open at the fron bonnet bulge and the 3 GTO vents (that you have on yours). These are obviously easily filled in.

Not that many seem to love the Paul (SPA 09) Hotrod look anyway.

BUT I DO

Neil one last thing. You chassis is different at the front where the Rack mounts to the chassis, your chassis here is a flat plate for each mount point, where on a Griffith it is bridged / raised up maybe 2".

[heightswitch]

jellison said:

heightswitch said:

Fiscracer said:

THREEFISHORANGE said:

How easy would it be to turn a Grantura into a Griff?
Is the chassis any different.I would presume the running gear etc are different? Which engine and box would be the right one, where to source it from?
Also, would it be worthwhile??

Thanks

It all depends on what you want to do with it. In essence they are the same apart from the engine and box although the Griffith chassis is wider to accomodate these. So go ahead and put a 289 in along with a toploader and away you go, might want a Jag diff.

If you want to race it, you may want to do a bit more work though......If you want to go FIA racing, you may have a problem although if it is an exact replica of a car that raced in period you may be able to get papers - assuming you can prove what spec the car was when in ran in period of course.

We all look forward to seeing Neil's car out there and demonstrating how effective all his hard work has been......

If he gets papers my MkIII will be getting a V8 along with some others I suspect.

I would like to think that my car would qualify for papers under the HTP route richard. As an old car it still has its original chassis and body and I am pretty sure no one racing out there in a griffith can boast that. The reality is that since I started building the car there has been a whole sea change of rules which potentially will prevent my car from being given Fia papers under the HTP regs.

The rule changes as we all know have been enforced and it seems that the EHM paul car which ran in the Guards international trophy race is now the Fia benchmark for originality/ period.

I dare say I could chop my body about again and part re-build the car to get HTP papers, but really I am just a fat bloke who has wanted a griff for many years and eventually will just find a racing series where my car will be appreciated for what it is.

Fia is really in a different budget to where I would ever want to be as a clubby type. I am happy enough in the knowledge that most of my car originates from Blackpool and that I have built it myself into the car I always wanted.

I have a new chassis sitting in the loft at home, who knows what car no 2 may bring. I have another vixen roadcar to complete prior to that one though so that should see another good few years of car fettling.

N.

Neil. Few points to correct. The now accepted wide body and bonnet shapes are one of two option which can be run in fia (I have spoken with the fis Scrut on this). You body is obviously styled along the lines of what has been ok'd to be run up until early 09 and what all fia Griff pre this years SPA 6 hours was running "IF" they were wanting to run wide tyres. You can run the car in std width format though (but this limits you to 6j or possibly 6.5j rims). But either way for yours it would be huge (and expensive) further mods now to go either way.

I am just glad I had not built mine by now! Mine will be as per the 09 SPA cars bar (daft spec engine and eventually big front brakes - but Jag stuff initially) I'll run the 08 and pre open at the fron bonnet bulge and the 3 GTO vents (that you have on yours). These are obviously easily filled in.

Not that many seem to love the Paul (SPA 09) Hotrod look anyway.

BUT I DO

Neil one last thing. You chassis is different at the front where the Rack mounts to the chassis, your chassis here is a flat plate for each mount point, where on a Griffith it is bridged / raised up maybe 2".

Which points are you correcting jelly?

My car is actually a std width car with slightly flared arches running 8" rims as opposed to a 4" wider car sectioned at the middle with wider arches which was the format actually banned!!! Those cars are quite easy to spot jelly if you know where to look But the 4" wider cars have caused the flared arch look to be banned so thats the main thing which now excludes my car.

Yep my chassis is slightly different at the front jelly. I still have the 2" bridge sections I cut out. Is that the only chassis mod you've spotted

Nah. fia isn't for me. not for this car anyhow.

N

[jellison]

heightswitch said:

jellison said:

heightswitch said:

Fiscracer said:

THREEFISHORANGE said:

How easy would it be to turn a Grantura into a Griff?
Is the chassis any different.I would presume the running gear etc are different? Which engine and box would be the right one, where to source it from?
Also, would it be worthwhile??

Thanks

It all depends on what you want to do with it. In essence they are the same apart from the engine and box although the Griffith chassis is wider to accomodate these. So go ahead and put a 289 in along with a toploader and away you go, might want a Jag diff.

If you want to race it, you may want to do a bit more work though......If you want to go FIA racing, you may have a problem although if it is an exact replica of a car that raced in period you may be able to get papers - assuming you can prove what spec the car was when in ran in period of course.

We all look forward to seeing Neil's car out there and demonstrating how effective all his hard work has been......

If he gets papers my MkIII will be getting a V8 along with some others I suspect.

I would like to think that my car would qualify for papers under the HTP route richard. As an old car it still has its original chassis and body and I am pretty sure no one racing out there in a griffith can boast that. The reality is that since I started building the car there has been a whole sea change of rules which potentially will prevent my car from being given Fia papers under the HTP regs.

The rule changes as we all know have been enforced and it seems that the EHM paul car which ran in the Guards international trophy race is now the Fia benchmark for originality/ period.

I dare say I could chop my body about again and part re-build the car to get HTP papers, but really I am just a fat bloke who has wanted a griff for many years and eventually will just find a racing series where my car will be appreciated for what it is.

Fia is really in a different budget to where I would ever want to be as a clubby type. I am happy enough in the knowledge that most of my car originates from Blackpool and that I have built it myself into the car I always wanted.

I have a new chassis sitting in the loft at home, who knows what car no 2 may bring. I have another vixen roadcar to complete prior to that one though so that should see another good few years of car fettling.

N.

Neil. Few points to correct. The now accepted wide body and bonnet shapes are one of two option which can be run in fia (I have spoken with the fis Scrut on this). You body is obviously styled along the lines of what has been ok'd to be run up until early 09 and what all fia Griff pre this years SPA 6 hours was running "IF" they were wanting to run wide tyres. You can run the car in std width format though (but this limits you to 6j or possibly 6.5j rims). But either way for yours it would be huge (and expensive) further mods now to go either way.

I am just glad I had not built mine by now! Mine will be as per the 09 SPA cars bar (daft spec engine and eventually big front brakes - but Jag stuff initially) I'll run the 08 and pre open at the fron bonnet bulge and the 3 GTO vents (that you have on yours). These are obviously easily filled in.

Not that many seem to love the Paul (SPA 09) Hotrod look anyway.

BUT I DO

Neil one last thing. You chassis is different at the front where the Rack mounts to the chassis, your chassis here is a flat plate for each mount point, where on a Griffith it is bridged / raised up maybe 2".

Which points are you correcting jelly?

My car is actually a std width car with slightly flared arches running 8" rims as opposed to a 4" wider car sectioned at the middle with wider arches which was the format actually banned!!! Those cars are quite easy to spot jelly if you know where to look But the 4" wider cars have caused the flared arch look to be banned so thats the main thing which now excludes my car.

Yep my chassis is slightly different at the front jelly. I still have the 2" bridge sections I cut out. Is that the only chassis mod you've spotted

Nah. fia isn't for me. not for this car anyhow.

N

It can't be standard (far from it falres wise if you can get the 8" in there). The rear looks about as flared as the Steve W's old car and the upto 08 fia flared cars (i.e. Boot, Mal Johnson (08), John Ship (08)).

Why did you remove the bridge? Seemed odd as the huge alloy rack mounts you have must raise the rack back up pretty much to the same height!

Not looked for any other differences - well none jumping out at me.

[stainless_steve]

heightswitch said:

stainless_steve said:

Just had a quick look at the chassis,making it wider is no prob however to do this would make the footwell narrower.With a full cage fitted i'm not sure this would be a good idea

Steve.
don't butcher the chassis, just use the correct ford engine. a 331 alloy blocked, headed Ford with 400 pluss HP should be mad enough without the need for extensive chassis mods??

Neil.

I didn't have to alter my chassis to fit the lightweight LS engine in.

Neil are you telling me you butchered your original chassis to fit that very heavy engine in

[stainless_steve]

OT WB Jellison,now get some pics posted in YOUR thread

[heightswitch]

stainless_steve said:

heightswitch said:

stainless_steve said:

Just had a quick look at the chassis,making it wider is no prob however to do this would make the footwell narrower.With a full cage fitted i'm not sure this would be a good idea

Steve.
don't butcher the chassis, just use the correct ford engine. a 331 alloy blocked, headed Ford with 400 pluss HP should be mad enough without the need for extensive chassis mods??

Neil.

I didn't have to alter my chassis to fit the lightweight LS engine in.

Neil are you telling me you butchered your original chassis to fit that very heavy engine in

I butcher everything I touch steve
N.

[jellison]

stainless_steve said:

OT WB Jellison,now get some pics posted in YOUR thread

Having a rest from all that - I have mailed ALL of my trawled PB pic's to a few punters - if you want All pm me

Indeed on the LS - can't imagine why anyone would have to cut the basic chassis on any TVR (not even missing mine - Strange but true).

[dinkel]

Vixen for me . . . Lovely with a TR6 2.5 in.

Griff (2:53) braking for La Source here.

Edited by dinkel on Thursday 3rd December 18:30

[RichB]

THREEFISHORANGE said:

How easy would it be to turn a Grantura into a Griff?

I will leave all the discussion about racing regulations to the experts but as a classic car enthusiast of around 40 years I would say you cannot. You can make a Grantura with a V8 engine, you could even badge it "Griffith" but you won't have a 60's Griff. Sorry...

[heightswitch]

RichB said:

THREEFISHORANGE said:

How easy would it be to turn a Grantura into a Griff?

I will leave all the discussion about racing regulations to the experts but as a classic car enthusiast of around 40 years I would say you cannot. You can make a Grantura with a V8 engine, you could even badge it "Griffith" but you won't have a 60's Griff. Sorry...

Yep agree.

Shame you have spoiled your modern Griffith with those modern wheels!!