JD Classics - Heads Up
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You missed a treat.. Starting with... Le Mans winners, dozens of restored and modified Mk 11's and E-Types, Knobbly Lister Jaguars and a whole showroon packed with lovely cars and engines.
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Three..
THREE Mk 1 Cortina Loti ('th b
ds), and a concours Mk1 Escort RS1600 
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Sorry,
A few notable XJ's including the last but one Series 3 V12, and the first XJ Series one - actually a pre production car. A Bugatti Veyron - whatever that is - lots of Ferraris, old bikes, several dozen cars under restoration to the sort of eat your dinner off standard rarely seen. Fantastic upgrading too, Mk 11s with AJ16 and V8 engines, suspension and brake work. Most impressive was what was in effect a XJRV8 grafted into a completely standard looking Mk11, fuel injected E Types too, which got me thinking.
Fantastic morning, will heads up the next one.
<uncontrollable envy and lust mode on>
Three..
THREE Mk 1 Cortina Loti ('th bds), and a concours Mk1 Escort RS1600 iwantoneiwantoneiwantone <uncontrollable envy and lust mode off>
Sorry,
A few notable XJ's including the last but one Series 3 V12, and the first XJ Series one - actually a pre production car. A Bugatti Veyron - whatever that is - lots of Ferraris, old bikes, several dozen cars under restoration to the sort of eat your dinner off standard rarely seen. Fantastic upgrading too, Mk 11s with AJ16 and V8 engines, suspension and brake work. Most impressive was what was in effect a XJRV8 grafted into a completely standard looking Mk11, fuel injected E Types too, which got me thinking.
Fantastic morning, will heads up the next one.
So what does happens when you take a 40 year old shell and put a 400 BHP blown V8 into it ?. What happens when you put coil over rear damping on a shell designed to take and semi eliptic leaf spring and put ALL those loads through an un supported inner wing tub and damper mounting ?
I`m intrigued. Perhaps you boffins could enlighten me
I`m intrigued. Perhaps you boffins could enlighten me
I've not looked at the JD Classics version of this, but I've seen the Beecham one that RGCs sell.
I didn't get down on the ground and poke around underneather, but it looked more like they sit the upper half of a Mk2 on the lower half of an XJR.
Try looking at their website
http://www.beacham-jaguar.co.nz/
I didn't get down on the ground and poke around underneather, but it looked more like they sit the upper half of a Mk2 on the lower half of an XJR.
Try looking at their website
http://www.beacham-jaguar.co.nz/
Make no mistake that JDs do an excellent job and have for many years. Derrick has built this business up virtually single handed . I take my hat off to him( wig and all). They strive to be the best in the business and are, but excellence comes at a price the average man cannot always afford.Its all about choice. If you can afford what you want and money is of no object, you will pay exactly for the right service.Only birds do Cheap.
I have made this point before but, in getting premium prices for the product has lifted our industry greatly, feeding Jaguar work into workshops up and down the country. Making this country a kind of centre of excellence. Don`t forget this year was the first time a British Company won pebble beech concours ,a massive achievement for JDs.
My thoughts on that Mk2 is that it is still based on the original shell.totally different to that floorpan of an XK8. stress zones loading etc are totally different. and I would be interested to hear a design engineers comments.
I have made this point before but, in getting premium prices for the product has lifted our industry greatly, feeding Jaguar work into workshops up and down the country. Making this country a kind of centre of excellence. Don`t forget this year was the first time a British Company won pebble beech concours ,a massive achievement for JDs.
My thoughts on that Mk2 is that it is still based on the original shell.totally different to that floorpan of an XK8. stress zones loading etc are totally different. and I would be interested to hear a design engineers comments.
My comments weren't meant to come across as negative.
Both the JD and Beecham cars are priced a level where they can engineer anything the customer desires.
The Mk2s I've seen receive this treatment were not to my particular taste, the Beecham E-types I've seen looked more convincing. I'm not altogether sure what it was with the Mk2 that didn't quite gel with me. I think that perhaps they've extended the track and filled the wheel arches much more that an original Mk2. This didn't seem to be the case with the Es I've seen. The Mk2 might also have sat a inch or two higher. I don't know whether the JD cars Mk2 is in anyway similar.
I had a good look over their stand at XK60, or at least I did when the clouds hadn't frightened them. I like my classic cars to have a carefully aged look. That's just the way that [u]I[/u] like them, The XKs they were showing at XK60 were some of their stunning restorations. But they left me cold.
Don't get me wrong, if I hit the jackpot on the lottery I'd been down at JDs like a shot. Their ads also list a lot of non restored exceptional XKs and they'd certainly be on my list of places to look when it came to extending my stable.
I'd been planning to go to one of their open days. They've had a few over the summer which have been adverstised through the XK Club and the JEC. But somehow none of the dates worked out.
Back in period Jaguar did the development of the IRS using Mk2 bodies. I don't know whether this helps when it comes to fitting new running gear under the old girl.
Both the JD and Beecham cars are priced a level where they can engineer anything the customer desires.
The Mk2s I've seen receive this treatment were not to my particular taste, the Beecham E-types I've seen looked more convincing. I'm not altogether sure what it was with the Mk2 that didn't quite gel with me. I think that perhaps they've extended the track and filled the wheel arches much more that an original Mk2. This didn't seem to be the case with the Es I've seen. The Mk2 might also have sat a inch or two higher. I don't know whether the JD cars Mk2 is in anyway similar.
I had a good look over their stand at XK60, or at least I did when the clouds hadn't frightened them. I like my classic cars to have a carefully aged look. That's just the way that [u]I[/u] like them, The XKs they were showing at XK60 were some of their stunning restorations. But they left me cold.
Don't get me wrong, if I hit the jackpot on the lottery I'd been down at JDs like a shot. Their ads also list a lot of non restored exceptional XKs and they'd certainly be on my list of places to look when it came to extending my stable.
I'd been planning to go to one of their open days. They've had a few over the summer which have been adverstised through the XK Club and the JEC. But somehow none of the dates worked out.
Back in period Jaguar did the development of the IRS using Mk2 bodies. I don't know whether this helps when it comes to fitting new running gear under the old girl.
No problem Ken,but I needed to raise that point re standards. I agree with you, much of the resto work be it excellent, takes the character of the car away completely and I don`t quite understand why they do it.
When I inspected two cars recently in York, one of those was a restored 150, a one owner car with a kind of mix between new and old. Magnificent example,brilliant driver, still on rubber bushing, still on crossplies.The factory really did get it right with the 150fhc back in the day.
I see JDs have my clients old 150S for sale, though I believe its sold now. That car, with 56K drove so well. We recommisioned it last year, though it went straight back into storage.We had to fit a clutch,strip and check the engine which required minimal work, to find that the head had been worked, probably by the comps dept back in the day .Great car
When I inspected two cars recently in York, one of those was a restored 150, a one owner car with a kind of mix between new and old. Magnificent example,brilliant driver, still on rubber bushing, still on crossplies.The factory really did get it right with the 150fhc back in the day.
I see JDs have my clients old 150S for sale, though I believe its sold now. That car, with 56K drove so well. We recommisioned it last year, though it went straight back into storage.We had to fit a clutch,strip and check the engine which required minimal work, to find that the head had been worked, probably by the comps dept back in the day .Great car
RW774 said:
I see JDs have my clients old 150S for sale, though I believe its sold now. That car, with 56K drove so well. We recommisioned it last year, though it went straight back into storage.We had to fit a clutch,strip and check the engine which required minimal work, to find that the head had been worked, probably by the comps dept back in the day .Great car
Can you remember any more about this car. I know there were a few 150s that were breathed on by the competition dept, but not that many. They certainly don't have the sort of history of the 120.I'm aware of one 150 which the factory supplied without bumpers. John Davies Roberts unearthed the details and was then able to use this evidence to allow him to get FIA paper for his racer without having to fit them. Do you remember any other details you can make public?
Ken, when I get time I will look through my stuff and speak to Paul Skilleter.Its probably worth checking with JDHT.The first time I looked into the library( I was supervised) there were a number of books on specific works prepared engines, indentified via engine numbers( dyno figs, mods etc). However, I was not allowed to look at them.
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